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I never go to all apps unless I want to pin an app to the start page. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
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JimmyRopes wrote: I never could understand the concern about the start button. Once I got used to using the start page I never thought about the missing start button. Apparently, it was a big deal to people who are stuck in a rut.
My big deal with the lack of a Start button in the original Windows 8.0 release is that you had to hover the mouse over a tiny 4x4 pixel area in the bottom-left corner to get the popup that would bring up the Start page. Which is fine if you only have a single monitor or your primary monitor is your left-most one, or you don't use Remote Desktop in a window to connect to other Win8 machines.
If you have a monitor to the left of your primary one, or have Win8 in an RDP window, then it's just too damned easy to overshoot that tiny bottom-left area, so getting the mouse in juuuuust the right 4x4 pixel space means you have to slow down to do some pixel-perfect clicking. This is no fun on a high-res monitor. I can't imagine it at 4K.
Using the Windows key on its own as a shortcut to bring up the Start screen isn't an option either for machines being accessed through Remote Desktop, as it's the local machine that intercepts it, not the remote one. While I'm aware it's an option on mstsc.exe's Local Resources tab, that's about half a dozen clicks away...assuming I actually remember to do that each time I want to connect to a new machine (and then I never do, so I have to disconnect/reconnect to just set the option).
The return of the Start button fixed all that. I use 8.1 on multiple machines every day, and at this point I don't see it as any different than 7. Every time I go back to an 8.0 machine however, I get bitten again by these idiosyncrasies right away--and after this much time, I can't blame this on anything being "new" to me.
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Try the Windows Logo Key.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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As much as I think the start button crowd has over blown this thing I'd have to maintain that one shouldn't have to know a key combination to get started using programs.
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Try using the Windows Logo icon on the left end of the task bar in Windows 8.1. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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JimmyRopes
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I brought it up in my third paragraph.
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Try Windows 8.1.
There is a windows logo icon on the far left on the task bar.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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JimmyRopes
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I've brought that up as well. And I mentioned that's all that was needed to fix all of the issues I've had with 8.0.
The only point I was trying to make is that without a big fat button onscreen to click to bring up the Start screen, there was an actual usability issue with the original Win8 release...and unlike a lot of people, I otherwise really didn't have any other problem with it.
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dandy72 wrote: unlike a lot of people, I otherwise really didn't have any other problem with it.
Strange that you would bring up Windows 8 deficiencies when Windows 8.1 has already fixed the problem you were having.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes wrote: Strange that you would bring up Windows 8 deficiencies when Windows 8.1 has already fixed the problem you were having.
What I was responding to, specifically, was this:
> I never could understand the concern about the start button.
So all I was saying is that the button's absence was a legitimate concern with 8.0, which as we've both pointed out, has been addressed with 8.1.
I see nothing strange about pointing out what was broken in 8.0 and is now ok again with 8.1.
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dandy72 wrote: So all I was saying is that the button's absence was a legitimate concern with 8.0, which as we've both pointed out, has been addressed with 8.1.
I see nothing strange about pointing out what was broken in 8.0 and is now ok again with 8.1.
I never had a problem with pointing at the corner in Windows 8 so in my opinion it was never broken.
People like you did have a problem which was addressed in Windows 8.1, but that doesn't make it a problem for all of us and I still don't understand what the problem was as I didn't have a problem.
As I have stated I don't understand what the problem was. Having said that I don't have a problem the way it is in Windows 8.1 either.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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JimmyRopes
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Just try it. RDP into a Windows 8.0 machine, and have the RDP session running in a window. Don't have it remap the Win-key to the remote machine. Now try to quickly get exactly on the corner for the popup to show up.
It's an exercise in frustration.
That being said, and I think it's worth repeating, I have no complaint whatsoever with Windows 8.1, and those who to this day still bitch about it are simply part of the group that's already going to be unhappy with any type of change.
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I'll have to take your comment about RDP without trying it as I don't have a Windows 8 machine to remote into. That would be a legitimate problem, or should say the only legitimate problem anyone has raised that I am aware of. Most of the time it is a case of things being different rather than things being broken.
I agree about Windows 8.1 and that some people are going to be unhappy with any type of change.
I am sorry to have taken you as one of them. I was mistaken. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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I'm on-line therefore I am.
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JimmyRopes wrote: That would be a legitimate problem, or should say the only legitimate problem anyone has raised that I am aware of
Thanks for acknowledging that. It *was* my only real complaint about 8.0. I'm still not a fan of Metro (or whatever they call it these days), but I'm certainly not complaining about it the way it seems the rest of the world does. I actually want it to succeed, because if the world's going touch-screen, then the desktop is really not well-suited for it.
It seems there's people who look at the Metro stuff, decide they hate it, and then decide they're gonna hate the whole OS because of it. I keep telling people, Metro's not the OS, if you just ignore those parts you've never used and don't actually need, 95% of what you do every day doesn't change one bit with 8.1. It's a fine OS.
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Sorry for not reading and comprehending your original post. I have been distracted by personal business lately, but should have taken the time to understand what you were saying.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I'll elaborate on #3. Microsoft has said all Lumia's running Windows 8+ will get Windows 10 for the phone.
Source: Windows Central[^]
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That is very good to know.
I may hold off my purchase until Windows 10 is released.
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I'm not following the logic. They're saying they'll all be upgraded, so you'll get Windows 10?!?
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I want to buy a book on the new OS.
I don't care to learn 8.1 and then turn around and learn 10.
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Mrs. Wife has just called (stressed out) and asked me to leave work early. The annual neighborhood 'progressive' dinner is tonight and our house (with her acceptance) is hosting the desserts. Personally, I'd rather go to the dentist than have a bunch of boring retirees and busy bodies invading my personal space for the evening...herself has just called again asking when I am leaving. Time to go now! Cheers!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: herself has just called again asking when I am leaving
...to go to the liquor store and pick up plenty of ![Beer | [beer]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) I hope!
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I'll dress up as a Texan and pretend to be your distant relative from the States.
I bet I could ensure that your neighbors never talk to you again, much less invite you to a dinner.
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Good advice. I have been in Texas long enough to know what you mean. I would adopt the idea for the next occasion, but waving around with two revolvers is a criminal offense here.
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