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All morning I reporting messages and members...Didn't get the opportunity to even read a single programming question...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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But it is so satisfying to delete all those messages, and know that you are a guardian of the netiverse. 
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So your the one! 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs Jim<</div>
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Listen, you're a good guy (that much is absolutely fruggin' obvious), so do me a favour, eh?
Know when to stop doing things that make you unhappy, and instead do things that make you feel happy.
The Interwebs are full of people who used to be good people, who got so sick of seeing only the cr@p that they lost the good and turned to the Dark Side, Luke.
CP is wonderful, and it's fun.
If that starts going out of sight, then change what you do at CP for a while, and get the wonderfulness and fun of it back.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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on this article[^]?
I just put a bug report in on it, but would like to know if anyone else sees it.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
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The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
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Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Looks like somebody who knows the things and can use it for its advantage respectively can piss the others. Try to Report as Abuse.....*lol*
And please it is not the author's (Moises Barba) leak!
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Yup, I'm getting it here, too. It just affects the section containing comments and discussions, not the article itself.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Getting it here too.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Yes, evilness I see. 
/ravi
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Sorry but to show where they are weakening is not evilness!
If God wanted me to become a kiss-ass, then I would have become a suppository
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Yeah, when I tried to open one of the comments on the article.
«A man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that's unlocked and opens inwards ... as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push» Wittgenstein
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The hamsters at the bottom of the article look like they need to go on a diet!
Marc
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yep, there is an element.style class coming from somewhere that is popping a background colour and padding onto the body tag. If you disable those elements in dev console it all looks good again. Can't see where they are coming in from though 
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I think it's part of the styling for the error page. Usually you would get a page with just the hamsters and the error message, but here the hamsters are appearing in the comments section and messing up the page.
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Oh, yeh..........I never scrolled that far down the first time! 
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I've deleted the thread containing the bad message.
I'll analyze it tomorrow to see what evil spell was cast and consult the high mage for a counter spell.
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Thanks!
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
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The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
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Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I've looked at the offending messages, but found no problems. I've re-enabled them and refreshed the cache and all is good. Probably a caching issue, something that corrupted the cached message data. Should be fun to find as it probably is a network error that is not being handled well by Redis.
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I hate to say that it is part of the game, but if you got a bunch of guys skating around at high speed on razor sharp blades, something like this is bound to happen every once in a while. This is not the first time and I doubt it will be the last.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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I hope you'll cut me an ounce of prime-slack if I float a general question hearkening back to the olden times when 64k was a big honking number as un-affordable as a Rolex. This is not "market research."
Back in the day, the More (son of ThinkTank) outlining-and-lots-more application created originally by that singular character, Dave Winer[1] [^] (who went to start some interesting pre-Net stuff, like Userland), was a big deal.
Sales of More, if I recall correctly, were up there with the big productivity apps of the day (WordStar ? Lotus 1-2-3).
And, there was a cool "desk accessory" outliner by David Dunham [^] for the Mac called "Acta" that was in widespread use. Dunham went on to create the Opal outliner for Mac OSX ... which I've never seen.
Here's the question: what led to the general decline (assuming there was a general decline) in the use of outliners/outlining ?
Could use of outlining have not really declined: it's just that the major productivity tools, like MS Word and Excel, now incorporated "folding" or outlining abilities ? So dedicated apps were no longer needed ?
Or, outlining was something of a time-limited phenom, a trend that did not persist ? Yet another "viral phenomenon" triggered by a bunch of power-users generating hype fed to them by marketers, followed by a bunch of lemmings singing: "oh yeah, I gotta have that ?" on the way to the app-store 
I'd appreciate hearing from any old-time users of More or other outliners as to what you think may have happened vis-a-vis outlining tools in wide use.
Perhaps, it's just that UI's (apps, internet) featuring drill-down, folding, hierarchic navigation, master-detail, etc., are just so ubiquitous today, that there's no need to have a special tool ?
thanks, Bill
[1] My favorite memory of Dave was at the fancy dinner soiree thrown by Steve Jobs as part of the NeXT roll-out: Dave stood up and shouted at Jobs from across the spacious banquet-hall: "How are we going to make any money when it doesn't have a floppy drive ?" The issue of the high-cost of distributing software on the expensive media for the Canon magneto-optical drive for the NeXT machine was an issue on the mind of many developers.
«A man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that's unlocked and opens inwards ... as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push» Wittgenstein
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When I wrote those e-books, the outline feature in Word was crucial. I used it two ways -- first, I created an outline down to a sufficient level of detail so that I knew I had enough content and I knew what content I needed to research in depth and what content I needed to simply talk about.
Second, while writing, I would often realize that the organization was flawed -- I'm introducing a concept later that I actually need to introduce earlier, for example. Again, the outline really helped to see the flow of things.
I certainly don't need an outlining tool (unless it were really sophisticated, more like HyperCard (since you're bringing up great but old apps) because I would just fire up Word.
However, even when writing a lengthy article, I don't outline because I can just move stuff around if I need to, and I think that may point to why outlining has declined -- used to be, you HAD to write an outline because you were then going to type your paper out on a typewriter. Ugh. Then we lived in this quasi-automated state where we replaced our activities with computers, such as with specific outlining software, and eventually these programs simply became components of much more sophisticated programs.
However, I really would like an outlining tool that could manage both online and offline references, code snippets, personal commentaries, pictures, file links, etc. Which is why I mentioned HyperCard and which actually is why I started writing Intertexti[^] and actually use it a lot myself for note taking.
Marc
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Thanks, Marc, that's exactly the kind of thoughtful response I hoped I would get !
Like you, I use my own custom-made outliner; I do intend to publish it one day on CP, but every time I think it's "ready for prime-time," I think of ... another feature it has to have
Oh yeah, HyperCard/HyperTalk was a very cool thing in its day, and I had a lot of fun with it. It was kind of too bad that Jobs put the kibosh on Crow and Calhoun getting to release their last amped-up version of HyperCard (3.0 that was previewed at the WWDC in '96, but which, I was told, was in development for a few years after that), but, as a business decision (following the ejecting, and then re-incorporation, of Claris, etc.), it probably made sense.
cheers, Bill
«A man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that's unlocked and opens inwards ... as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push» Wittgenstein
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OK, that settles it.
I'm going to do an article for CP that shows how to structure documents (whether they're tech docs or the next great Icelandic bestsellers).
Here's a tip: "sophistication" isn't meant to mean "time-consuming", "difficult to use", or "hard to remember".
Elegance, no matter how complicated it is, is simplicity.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: I'm going to do an article for CP that shows how to structure documents (whether they're tech docs or the next great Icelandic bestsellers).
I look forward to reading it!
Marc
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