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We are discussing definitions now. I may have used incorrect terms. Looking up on monopolies, there are several terms that are related to the situation: a "de facto Monopoly" would one created naturally, but it implies a 100% market share, therefore it's only theoretically possible. I have wrongly used that term for what is apparently called a Natural Monopoly[^] - that is the situation Google is in, regarding Search, in Europe. At least according to the EU.
You might also want to consider the legal definition of a monopoly[^] which is obviously based on the "Natural Monopoly", not the "de facto Monopoly".
As for no precedent, you are mistaken. Microsoft was already forced to pay in similar cases, and in one case it was forced to provide a netral way for users to pick an alternate browser on installation or first start of Windows, in the EU. This is not an EU thing either, check out the United States Antitrust law[^] - this link provides a number of cases where US legislation led to splitting of companies and prohibitive penalties. You might specialy be interested in the case "United States vs. Alcoa" (see Monopolization[^])
a monopoly can be deemed to exist depending on the size of the market. It was generally irrelevant how the monopoly was achieved since the fact of being dominant on the market was negative for competition.
So, this is neither fantasy nor absurd. Ok, you are free to dispute the latter, but we are talking about laws that do exist and have been applied for decades.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Please - I think, again, you clicked reply in response to the wrong person. Much as I dislike Google, I'm totally on their side in this action. The thread you were on had an adversarial view by stefan_lang. Please post these responses to him! It would be ever so much more useful.
The way you do this is open the actual item to which you wish to reply and then click reply.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I am no lawyer, and so I can't conjure up the relevant EU laws, but I happened to find something in US antitrust legislature that might interest you:
Quote: a monopoly can be deemed to exist depending on the size of the market. It was generally irrelevant how the monopoly was achieved since the fact of being dominant on the market was negative for competition
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law#Monopolization[^]
Whether or not the same applies in this EU vs. Google case is for the lawyers to decide. But you can't blame the EU for applying and protecting laws. You might just as well blame your local authorities for fining you after breaking a speed limit on a street even though you may not have imperiled anyone.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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So, having just returned from a sojourn in the realm of the subject device I realize there's an "urgent need" for a particular survey for our beloved CPM's (Code Project Mondays).
"What Do You Read to Relax the Mind Whilst Relaxing On the Trône de l'homme ?
[ ] Catch Up on Day's News
[ ] CP Lounge Posts on Smart Phone
[ ] ASSembly Code Manuals
[ ] KSS My As...
[ ] Nothing - I just count tiles
Th Pre-Softened Roll of VB6 code, affixed to the wall indentation, doesn't count!
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I play with my....
Smartphone!!!!
What else? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Johnny J. wrote: What else?
That's what Clooney says 
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Nothing else .. 
Or, did you think something else? 
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[ ] Catch Up on Day's News
[ ] CP Lounge Posts on Smart Phone
[ ] ASSembly Code Manuals
[ ] KSS My As...
[ ] Nothing -I just count tiles
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I just log on...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I log out...
veni bibi saltavi
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Just in case your Logon (Log in?) fails, you might try a few prunes.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I don't require artificial aids; I grew up on my mothers cooking.
She was not one of natures Born Cooks, so we children grew up developing an immunity to Listeria, Salmonella, arsenic poisoning, and with the ability to digest nearly anything - this has remained to this day. We were about the only family I know of that actually prefered School Dinners... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: We were about the only family I know of that actually prefered School Dinners...
Oh - I didn't realize - you poor afflicted soul!
I'll try to be nicer to you - more understanding about your posts. Count my lucky stars (not to be confused with Lucky Charms) when I set before some leftovers that weren't originally nearly as green as they are now.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Easy: I don't even try and relax on said throne; I quickly push one out and then leave as quickly as possible. Toilet != lounge.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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Brady Kelly wrote: I quickly push one out and then leave as quickly as possible
I hope it was an accidental omission on your part - but if not - let me remind you that the paper roll nearby has more uses than that of a pillow.
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No omission, and no accident. The "as quickly as possible" carefully includes a healthy deference to that paper's important role.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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Brady Kelly wrote: important role roll.
That's a relief. Hopefully you don't reduce your residency to the point where you pass through your office/home with a disturbing resemblance to a white-tailed deer.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Please sir, you do my word choice an injustice. I spelled it "role" because I was referring to the role the paper plays in making such occasions tolerable.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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No harm meant - I thought I could use that word and get a double meaning (i.e., two-ply) result.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: double meaning
I only got number two, but please don't stop, you're on a roll...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Bog standard stuff usually.
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I have set up a very basic website for my bushwalking club. I used Joomla and so have access to lots of good components for managing the site. One of these is a web traffic tool. When I look at the logs there are hundreds of hits from Beijing each week. Many (most?) of them have IP addresses that are very close to each other. What's this all about?
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Do you have anything that they may want to copy?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Not that I can imagine,
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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pwasser wrote: What's this all about?
Hacking, Hijacking, whatever you like.
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