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Sander Rossel15-Apr-15 20:44

15-Apr-15 20:44

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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson15-Apr-15 1:12

15-Apr-15 1:12

You have obviously not met a "Project Manager" before, this is their default position, they then move to "This only took x days last time you did it so you should be able to it quicker this time"

You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start

Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

Richard MacCutchan15-Apr-15 2:46

Richard MacCutchan

15-Apr-15 2:46

I would suggest your response to him might be "You have not enough experience".

Sander Rossel15-Apr-15 2:58

15-Apr-15 2:58

I've been thinking exactly that.
I'm guessing that he has about 15 years more experience than me though Laugh | :laugh:

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Richard MacCutchan15-Apr-15 3:24

Richard MacCutchan

15-Apr-15 3:24

Ask yourself why he needs you if he has so much experience. I would be inclined to call his bluff, and tell him your estimate stands. Then he has the choice, accept your estimate and pay, or do it himself. Unless, of course, you really need the money.

Sander Rossel15-Apr-15 3:40

15-Apr-15 3:40

It's really a customer of my employer, so I'm getting paid either way Big Grin | :-D

Anyway, I'm just taking the time I need (which is three to four days) and my employer backs me up on this, so no problem Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

And no further complaints from the customer either Smile | :)

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Mike Hankey15-Apr-15 4:43

Mike Hankey

15-Apr-15 4:43

Sounds like the biggest issue is going to be the customer.

Exactly if he has the experience!

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Forogar 15-Apr-15 4:54

Forogar

15-Apr-15 4:54

Is his name "Jeff"? I worked for a Jeff once that said things like that all the time. He had once written some software in COBOL which apparently showed him that he was an expert programmer and all things were easy. This is why he always thought software developers were obviously overpaid and were constantly lying to him about how long things would take.

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Sander Rossel15-Apr-15 5:40

15-Apr-15 5:40

No, his name isn't Jeff Laugh | :laugh:

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Stefan_Lang15-Apr-15 20:36

Stefan_Lang

15-Apr-15 20:36

People lying is a reasonable expectation. Just think about it: http://dilbert.com/strip/2011-02-20[^] Cool | :cool:

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Alister Morton16-Apr-15 4:44

Alister Morton

16-Apr-15 4:44

Funny you mention that - I had a spookily similar experience with a Geoff except in his case he'd written an application in MS basic so this made him an expert in high performance comms (serial data at 4800 baud) and real time programming (displaying said data on the screen, picking a colour at random for each new data item).

MikeD 215-Apr-15 23:55

MikeD 2

15-Apr-15 23:55

I once helped staff an industry specific software presentation where loads of people were invited to come along for demonstrations cake and coffee

I had one potential who, for every aspect of the software I demonstrated, told me that his existing self made solution was faster, better, wider and cheaper. I took this for a while and then stood up, handed him back his business card, and told him that we couldn't help him.

He seemed shocked and I know everyone else in the room was as well but you just cannot help some people

It depends on how confident you are in your own abilities and how desperate you are for the work.

That was about 30 years ago and I am still working in the same market place today and also still have some of the same clients that became customers around that time (I would love to have said that particular demo day but cannot remember for sure)

Sander Rossel16-Apr-15 5:33

16-Apr-15 5:33

That's awesome. You weren't rude or anything and just told him the truth. Probably everyone in the room, including that guy, thought the same Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

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MikeTheFid16-Apr-15 4:41

MikeTheFid

16-Apr-15 4:41

"Good, Quick, Cheap. Pick any two."

Said with a smile, it can be tactfully delivered.

Doesn't work worth a damn in an email or text. Smile | :)

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Kirk Wood16-Apr-15 11:19

Kirk Wood

16-Apr-15 11:19

Seems you have a choice to make. If you find yourself with enough work, simply stand by your estimate and let them either agree or go elsewhere. If you are short enough you are willing to risk being wrong then accept the counter offer.

Robert g Blair16-Apr-15 14:22

Robert g Blair

16-Apr-15 14:22

Way back (in 1996) I was the new guy in a software shop.

Graeme, one of the Directors, said "Robert, we have great new project for you to lead. Visual Basic, right up your alley, large budget, big multinational. The deal is all signed - fixed price contract. Dave will tell you all about it."

Dave, apparently, came up with the fixed price quote. The fixed price covered about 6 man-months at the then rate for developers.

Dave showed me his spec document, about 70 pages. It appeared to be a series of style notes for Win Forms. After listening to Dave for a while I said: "Dave - how many input forms are there in this system?".

"I don't know", says Dave, "you can figure that out when you design the system.".

"Dave, how did you come up with a fixed price for this system if you don't know what it does?".

"Oh", says Dave, smiling. "It doesn't really matter. We've got a huge budget, AND ... it's going to be written in VB which is really fast and easy!".

At this point I was thinking to myself: "Dave must be a total VB hacker with no real world smarts. I need to let him know that what seems really easy for him may not be for ordinary folk".

"So Dave", I said, "how much VB have you done?".

"Oh", says Dave, "none at all. But I've heard that it's really easy".

And yes, I did quit that company not long after ...

Sander Rossel16-Apr-15 20:35

16-Apr-15 20:35

Wow, is he still in business? OMG | :OMG:

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Robert g Blair16-Apr-15 23:47

Robert g Blair

16-Apr-15 23:47

No - went under the next year. They had several projects run in the same manner.

Any free software that would be useful to...

Robert g Blair16-Apr-15 23:53

Robert g Blair

16-Apr-15 23:53

Also:

The client company really was a seriously big multi-national.

One of their "smart young men of the future", with a freshly minted MBA, was the reason our company was chosen - apparently against the advice of his seniors.

When the project crashed and burned (which it did) they sent him manage a two man office in Western China.

Joan M14-Apr-15 23:37

Joan M

14-Apr-15 23:37

Hello all,

Is there any free and easy to use software under the sun that would allow a group of people (let's say non techy neighbors) to share data, complaints, problems, ask for meetings, calendar, to send messages between them...

I've even though on creating a facebook group but this is a little bit... well... Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

PS: I've not searched for anything but I've abandoned before trying I even don't know what to search...

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Rutvik Dave14-Apr-15 23:51

Rutvik Dave

14-Apr-15 23:51

It's time to create a SharePoint site for your community (just kidding) Big Grin | :-D

Have you tried Slack [^]? I am using it for my team communication / file sharing, it is very useful and works just fine. Don't know about the calendar support, but rest will work just fine.

HobbyProggy14-Apr-15 23:56

HobbyProggy

14-Apr-15 23:56

Whats App group... $Shucks | :-\$

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Thanks787215-Apr-15 0:09

Thanks7872

15-Apr-15 0:09

:thud: :thud: :thud:

BTW, you can not share 'data' over it.

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HobbyProggy15-Apr-15 0:44

HobbyProggy

15-Apr-15 0:44

But pictures ! Smile | :)

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