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So that's why I can't see my reflection in a mirror?
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The real mess comes when you ask to yourself why on the Earth I am entitled to perceive subjectively just that particular human being that was born in those particular circumstances... or even better: the fact that in the whole world existed some very particular circumstances (whatever they were) capable to make "me" feel subjectively "alive". People that realize that this is the real problem may be interested to what I wrote at http://www.iacopovettori.it/laterzaipotesi/eng/ArgumentsProOI.aspx (with some discussions also with professional philosophers).
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In the grand scheme of the universe, I do not exist even though I am answering this silly question. No probability about it.
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The wars that have been going on since the development of C++ has been going on in between those who praise C and those who praise C++; nice conversation with Linus Torvalds of other preachers[^].
By the way, I am with C! 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Quote: By the way, I am with C!
good for you - I am with whatever language enables me to model an abstract idea in my head and turn it into something a computer can work with - at the moment, c# fits the bill, although Im not adverse to c++, c or a slew of other things as required (obviously I have my 'preferences', but I'll keep an open mind if I cant solve a situation using what Im comfortable with 'right now')
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C# prophecy is yet to come; so they don't fight right now!
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Both have there place!
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
When you are dead you don't know it, it's only difficult for others.
It's the same when you're stupid.
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yay !! lets hear it for number crunching - anyone for RPG ?
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You think a Rocket Propelled Grenade might improve code quality?
Could be right if you aim it at QA querists... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Classic RPG won't even scratch their surfaces; you need RPG IV at the very least 
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Some are indeed rather thick skinned. Thick everything, some of 'em.
And others are so thin skinned it's surprising they can wear clothes without being flayed every time they move... 
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As long as you keep posting links to intended-to-piss-people-off seven-year old articles: well, yes, the war is still on ... at least in your head
cheers, Bill
«To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"
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He's just a bit behind the times... 
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Yeah.
C# won the war.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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True, but that was still amazing how people would fight for nothing. 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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I prefer a metaview -- your choice of language will not make you a better programmer. Conversely, if you are a proficient programmer, you can apply good programming practices regardless of the language (even assembler) that you're working in.
The expression "garbage in, garbage out" is one side of the coin. "bad programmer in, bad program out" is the other side.
Marc
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Nice saying... 
By the way, how can bad programmer in, bad program out make sense? Bad programmer would always make bad programs.
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Not necessarily - they could get lucky. Doesn't happen very often (if at all) but it could.
Conversely, it's very easy for a good programmer to create a total pile of steaming waset material if he doesn't pay attention.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote: By the way, how can bad programmer in, bad program out make sense?
Erm, like most pithy sayings, one shouldn't think too hard upon them.
Marc
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Assembly, sure. But even PHP?
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harold aptroot wrote: But even PHP?
Actually yes. I took some really crappy PHP that someone had written on a project I was working on and turned into well documented, nicely encapsulated, and most importantly of all, unit-testable code. So, as it turns out, PHP is decent, it's just the abuses of the idiot that wrote the PHP code that gave me a bad taste for the language at first.
I'm also really impressed with the online documentation, particularly the actually useful additions that people contribute to the docs. That's quite rare.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: if you are a proficient programmer, you can apply good programming practices regardless of the language (even especially assembler) that you're working in
FTFY
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
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Marc Clifton wrote: The expression "garbage in, garbage out" is one side of the coin. "bad programmer in, bad program out" is the other side.
That is a signature-quotable Marcism if I've ever seen one ! Congratulations.
I am tempted to say that: if the hand that holds the coin is ignorant enough they may not even know which side of the coin is which, let alone the denomination of the coin. But, I decided not to say that.
Whilst reading your remarks a little voice in my head kept reminding me of your recent (excellent) rants about working in Ruby, but I think those were by the other Marc
cheers, Bill
«To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"
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BillWoodruff wrote: But, I decided not to say that.
Well said.
BillWoodruff wrote: but I think those were by the other Marc
There's at least one evil twin, but like Calvin (& Hobbes) it's hard to distinguish the clones from the real McCoy.
Marc
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