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Keith Barrow wrote: Finder
Last time I mentioned this POS here I was flamed at, along the line "how can you be so obstruse" and "file explorer is no way better"... Add to it the fact that you have to guess that plugging an USB key creates a directory on your desktop (or whatever it is) instead of being accessible through any kind of path navigation or file explorer, and you have a no go from my side. Either I did not understand a concept, or this is just a dumb way to interact with the user.
/Edit : From this forum[^] : "I don't even know why it's called the Finder. It should be the Hanger."
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Rage wrote: plugging an USB key creates a directory on your desktop (or whatever it is) instead of being accessible through any kind of path navigation or file explorer
It creates a desktop shortcut and it's mounted as a disk that you can access from the left hand side of any finder window.. You have to unmount it from finder before unplugging it (just like Windows) 
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That was exactly what I would have expected, but there was nothing "mounted" anywhere back then, definitely only the desktop shortcut. Maybe some sort of silly options somewhere.
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I started using OSX at Mountain Lion - perhaps it was before then?
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modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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See Mike's answer, it is a setting.
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I'm referring to the most current version. I seem to recall is was the default several versions ago.
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I'm using Yosemite but hardly use USB sticks these days.. (yeah, I like the cloud too  )
I remember seeing it last time I used a USB stick, odd if they've made it a setting though - that wouldn't make sense to disable it.. how are you supposed to unmount the drive?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: I remember seeing it last time I used a USB stick, odd if they've made it a setting though
I'm not sure how it transitioned through updates vs. fresh installs. I'm also going on memory since my Mac is at home and I'm at work (Win 7).
Brent Jenkins wrote: how are you supposed to unmount the drive?
Maybe through the drive shortcut that pops up on the desktop.
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Rage wrote: the fact that you have to guess that plugging an USB key creates a directory on your desktop (or whatever it is)
Ummmm... its a shortcut to access the drive. Very similar to the way Windows can open the dialog and ask you what you want to do.
Rage wrote: instead of being accessible through any kind of path navigation or file explore
A Finder preference will show external drives on the left just like internal drives or shares.
Rage wrote: Either I did not understand a concept
Seems to be the case here.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Very similar to the way Windows can open the dialog and ask you what you want to do
Which, to me, is a very terrible thing to do.
Plus the desktop had many icons on it, so it took me a while to spot the newly created shortcut.
Mike Mullikin wrote: A Finder preference
Yeah, make the obvious hidden by default 
Mike Mullikin wrote: Seems to be the case here.
Intuitive seems to be a concept, then.
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Rage wrote: Plus the desktop had many icons on it
Which, to me, is a terrible thing to do.
Rage wrote: Yeah, make the obvious hidden by default
Yeah, looking at the preferences wasn't obvious at all. 
Rage wrote: Intuitive seems to be a concept, then.
Nobody is claiming that Apple is perfect but it helps to at least have an open mind when using something new. Sheesh! Were you one of those guys that screamed and whined when Windows 95 came out because it was soooo much different than Windows 3.1?
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Mike Mullikin wrote: eah, looking at the preferences wasn't obvious at all.
Looking at the preferences to make it possible accessing the content of a USB key with the what-should-be a file explorer ?? Really ?
Mike Mullikin wrote: Nobody is claiming that Apple is perfect
I do not want them to be perfect. I was only expecting a bit more for a device that costs about 4x more than its equivalent in the PC world. Apple braggs about everything being simple and shiny, well, in my experience it was far from being that. All I wanted was to download some file to a USB disk, and it took me 10 minutes. Never again.
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Rage wrote: a device that costs about 4x more than its equivalent in the PC world
Not where I live. In the US there might be a 10-15% premium for Mac's versus Dell/HP/Lenovo when comparing "equivalent" products. That's a premium I'm willing to pay for the benefits I see.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: it helps to at least have an open mind when using something new
 Exactamundo!
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Does this explain why most Apple enthusiasts are apparently so open minded that their brains fall out?
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So what's the alternative? Sticking in one camp or the other, trolling "competing" forums, like Android vs iOS, PC vs Mac, C# vs Java? Does any of that behaviour actually make any sense?
Perhaps as professional software developers, we should embrace new technologies and enjoy using new bits of kit or different ways of doing things.. look into them, work our their pros and cons and determine if we can make things better?
Just a though
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I've got nothing against using new stuff if it is genuinely new; in other words demonstrates actual progress and improvement on what has gone before. What I don't respect is the washing powder approach that so many tech companies, and Apple especially in my judgment, adopt of splashing a new label on a barely tweaked product and announcing it as a monumental breakthrough which is then snapped up by the fanboys like it was the final revelation of the actual date of the Second Coming! It's a second screen for your phone, you deluded fools, I want to scream as I turn over the tables in the Temple Apple Store!
No, I'm not going to waste time on the forums you mentioned, but I'm also not going to be completely mute as Acme Incs Various dumb down the tech market yet further and turn customers into dogs with the attention span of ... SQUIRREL!
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Dogs with the attention span of squirrels? Seriously, I've got no idea what you're on about
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Nobody is claiming that Apple is perfect but it helps to at least have an open mind when using something new.
Nonsense, it just sucks 
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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A couple of tips..
- Renaming - just press enter on the file or folder you want to rename.
- Cut - If you open finder, then either do CMD-T or CMD-N (that'll bring up another tab or window) you can drag your file/folder from one place to another)
- Navigation - if you show the status bar on the bottom of the finder window (it's a setting you can access from the UI) it'll show you the full path. You can go up a level in the hierarchy by holding CMD and pressing the up arrow key.
I'm a .NET developer (since 2005 - C, C++ and many others before that) and it really feels like a major step backwards using a Windows 8.1 machine these days. Visual Studio is great but it's now the only application I use that I need a PC for.
I don't know if you use an iPad and/or iPhone but along with the Mac? They works extremely well together. After just over 2 years of using a Mac, my Mac is the device of choice for me for everyday use.
I used to whine on about Apple devices years ago, but now accept I was wrong. Give it time, put the effort in to get to know the machine and you'll end up loving it, I'm sure
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Cheer for this - I'm in the weird position of liking keyboard shortcuts, but resenting the fact that I'm being forced to at the moment - especially given the how Mac OSs are pitched on usability. Time will tell if I come round to it all a bit further.
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Back on the Mac now.. just checked the navigation path bar bit, it's enabled when in Finder from View -> Show Path Bar 
I think the change from Windows to OS X can be jarring, especially around the keyboard shortcuts. There are a lot of them (I'm still finding out about new ones every few weeks) but the good news is that a lot of them work consistently across most applications. You can still do everything with the mouse, but once you've picked up a few shortcuts things really start to fly.
Personally, I really love the MacBook's trackpad - the gestures work brilliantly for me, really making things quick when I've got apps open on multiple desktops. I can't help thinking why hasn't Microsoft added multiple desktops to Windows - OS X and Linux have had them for ages and it seems more sensible than trying to fit a dozen windows onto a single screen?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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How do u know someone is using a Mac?
Answer: He tells you!
Keith Barrow wrote: Nobody, in the whole world, will need more than 2 USB ports.
GDIAF... i'm using 5 ...
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 I GDIAF then 
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