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harold aptroot wrote: 99% of all software is utter crap.
(Theodore) Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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We programed the machines to take away people's jobs, now the machines will program themselves and take away our jobs.
When everything is automated, production of all the world's needs is as efficient as can be, then we can all live out lives of unfettered luxury, free from the daily toil of the working life.
The planet and the machines will provide, all we need do is consume.
Just need to get rid of 6 or 7 billion people first, but that's another story.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Sweet dreams...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Sounds like the movie, Logan's Run.
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jgakenhe wrote: Sounds like the movie, Logan's Run.
That's exactly what I was going to say! 
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As long as it's not Soylent Green... 
Days spent at sea are not deducted from one's alloted span - Phoenician proverb
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I am waiting for the day when the machines program themselves out of a job! 
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They'll probably do it by designing self-organizing, self-replicating computation machines made mostly from the most common materials in the universe -- carbon, oxygen, hydrogen & nitrogen.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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"Imminent demise of the Internet predicted" - yet again.
I've been working as a programmer and a software engineer for 35 years, and I've heard that "in the future, computers were going to take away our jobs" in every one of those years. I grant you that program generators ("wizards") can now write much of the boilerplate involved in writing a program, but they are still far from being able to write a program from start to finish.
I personally suspect that programming is one of the harder tasks attempted by humans, and that computers will not be able to do it before they have passed the Turing test.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Pass the turing test? How long will that be?
Or we could use genetic programming now.
I think this is inevitable. It's only a question of when. I say 50 years (because I hope to die peacefully in my sleep before the bits hit the fan. Sucks for my (putative) grandchildren though.
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AFAIK, genetic programming only works for relatively constrained domains. I doubt anyone has tried to write an inventory-control program using genetic programming.
My point is that while we have solved parts of the "automatic programming" problem, a complete solution is so far beyond our current capabilities that I expect it to come only when a computer can behave reason like a Human.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
modified 24-Jul-15 11:03am.
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Yes but who writes the computer-programming AI?
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As AI is a replica of human intelligence problem solving (code writing) is done by search as with humans...
So AI will need CP's QA to find all the answer - so we will have what to do even then...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Member 11375116 wrote: I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.
On a brighter note, we'll probably all be a lot more mentally and physically fit 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: mentally and physically fit
Fit to do what?
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Fit to do what?
Flip burgers, make bacon sandwiches - those kinds of things
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Come on! Even a dumb machine (no AI) can do it better and faster than any software developer...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Now I'm worried, I thought we'd all be okay!
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Maybe as meat for those hamburgers...(the Matrix has you!)
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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On a brighter note (again!), they'll probably still taste better than McDonalds
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I wouldn't worry, if we get true AI they'll be picky about what jobs they do / will probably just replace management to get better pay, spend their time doing what they enjoy, and leave the grunt work to humans. Those of us supporting the pyramid won't notice any change.
The bigger risk is if we get pseudo AI, where our jobs are automated, but the machines are slaves; then whoever's at the top of the pyramid decides whether everyone should enjoy life, or just their select few... here's hoping for benevolence.
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To be completely honest, I'm not worried about AI at all. Here's why..
When we talk about Artificial Intelligence, we really mean human-like intelligence, ie. like us. We somehow believe that we're some enlightened, knowledgeable creation set apart from every other living thing on the planet but that's only because we're vainly looking at our own reflection in the mirror and seeing what we want to see.
Putting things onto an "absolute" scale, rather than a "relative" one, the average human isn't very intelligent (myself and all of us here included - no offence). It's taken nature how many billion years to reach this "pinnacle"? Yet somehow - in our brief time on this planet - we think we can do better (like with GM crops and insects).
The best we can hope to achieve (and we'd need to be very, very lucky to get to this point) is probably on a par with Joey Essex (George W. Bush, for the non-Brits here ). More likely, we'll achieve the same intelligence level of a jellyfish, perhaps even a bee if we really push ourselves.
Like I said, I don't think we have anything to fear
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Fit to do what?
Fit to stay FIT
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remember the fire cell from die hard 4.0 Not the whole system is automated, at some point you need a human action to control the behavior of any application. So there will be something for programmer to have control of.
Again, like in any cms now a days, we have admin panel where we feed our input to show how our website or program will look in the browser , same way we will have AI admin panel from where we need to tell the AI what i want to build my application. one can learn that thing and can secure a job.
what if someone can break the logic of AI (ultimately it is a program written somewhere with some more real time decision power) like virus do now in our computer or AI become so smart that it do not obey his master like Hollywood movies, in this case you need some Root user to control this. become a master of this and you will have a job with lot of money.
apart from that , there is a lot of time reaming for that thing to happen, as you can see now we have lot of open source and other cms which gives so many options to set up a website or application within few hours with well documentation but still common people/Non IT companies prefer to higher a professional person to do that job.
So, don't worry enjoy your work
Ravi Khoda
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If you believe that, then you don't understand AI.
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