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Holy sh*t! I completely forgot about that from my PDP-11/44 days back in school. It was far better than using the line printer terminals, but in those COBOL days, anything was better than sitting there writing it out on paper.
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Also glad I never had to do that. The 80s was a great time to begin using computers.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I'm not going to help you
Me think he is doing us a favor here!  
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Because "succeed" is not in their dictionary?
Hey, what's the past tense of "succeed"?
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In this case because it's an entire book series[^]
The books are about 100 pages long, hence the "Succinct" part 
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You are NOT allowed to walk up to him and push his head through the nearest partition. However if you don't get into a pissing contest with him you may find yourself writing client code for that crap, after all he is try to sell the idea to managers!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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At the next meeting slip something in his drink.
When he's knocked out cold take out his organs shave his beard.
When the Lin-Uxorcism is complete enjoy your C# project 
Seriously though, don't you just hate it when people get all religious about their technology?
The only tech-religion I have is anti-Apple. That friggin iPhone doesn't even know lower case letters on its keyboard.
NO LOWER CASE LETTERS! 
It's waaaaay overpriced for a phone that doesn't know lower case letters...
Anyway, don't give in to the Linux guy!
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You have to give it to Apple though, they know how to do simple[^]! 
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Excellent!
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"I am not going to help you", that's the sort of can-do attitude that is the very foundation of every successful team
Try Grapple for Android, it has a naked pixel guy in it!
Also, loads of blood and some snakes.
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/ravi
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As someone who started with the command line, (indeed, had to flip the switches on the front panel in the right order to boot the computer) I think I can say that the IDE is a massive improvement in ease of use, productivity, and general all round loveliness.
Just having a debugger that works with your code is superb! Being able to edit your code while it's running is a genuine miracle.
You know what I'm talking about: Intellisense, XML commenting, autocompletion, the whole package.
Yes, there are times when Notepad and a compiler are all you need, but for a more complex project just sorting out makefiles by hand is a PITA!
I think he's an idiot. Presumably he knows one technology, and assumes it's the best for all environments. Script kiddie indeed...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: for a more complex project just sorting out makefiles by hand is a PITA
Yes, that's when an IDE becomes helpful. But up until that point it's more of a hindrance. (In my opinion.)
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The Linux guy is wrong. He doesn't have to install Visual Studio or an IDE. He can use his favorite text editor to author C# code and run csc from the command line.
/ravi
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+5
I'm shocked it took this long for someone to resist the urge to flame the heathen and point out the obvious.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Reminds me of the "medic" who insisted on decorating his hallway through the letter box.
Pride is closely related to fear.
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The day that Django/Python can do what LINQ can do in C# and the processing that I do in C# for a drone project I am building, then that day I will believe this
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"I have to actually install Visual Studio"
Er....Doesn't he have to install the Python environment? (Plus all the add on libraries for mathematics and image manipulation etc.) All the right versions installed in the right order. Otherwise they don't work. If there's a problem he can always sit there for weeks looking through the source code. Looking through the source code of all that stuff is enough to convince anybody that it is not something you should be wasting your time on. Believe me.
I did this the other way around. I left 'cos I refused to struggle any more with their antiquated Python command line rubbish. I wanted to work with C# and an IDE
The only crime people like that commit is they think they are cleverer than everybody else. They think they know it all. They have long since stopped learning. They then waste their lives tangling themselves up in knots working with first principles stuff in an ever increasingly complex world. This is their crime. This is also their punishment. The only problem I have, is that it's always me that ends up looking for a new job.
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To code & build software IDE's save a lot of time to code, and drag-n-drop is replacing scripting for builds, TFS a good example of mixing them with scripting to handle all needs.
I like F# & VB for .Net as they translate easily to move something into the functional, mgr's want only C#, don't like VB and zero F# is the current fashion.
Just sayin', C# has all the emphasis but hard to program in a functional way, have the wrox book on that, IDE or not, if you look at the rants it's over declarative vs imperative as well as command-line vs IDE.
If someone is that hot on cmd, cool, that's one out of how many coders? Perspective says IDE's are needed for a lot of people vs those that are good at the manual entry.
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One of the first things I learned when I started fixing / building things was, use the right tool for the job. Every job is different and requires different tools. Your "friend" is obviously closed minded, but don't discount the idea that his tools might actually be the right answer for this particular problem. Learn from his strengths. Live with his weaknesses and combine it all to be a better, more valuable asset yourself. Don't close yourself off to other ideas. Managers appreciate employees who can offer multiple solutions for them to choose from. Linux offers very low cost solutions with open source transparency. Windows / Visual Studio is an excellent RAD platform but comes at a cost. Return on investment is key in the "real world".
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I have used dozens of languages and C# is nothing special. The only reason that I see to use it is that Microsoft has placed a lot of their libraries in .NET. But, if you really need to use it, use C++/CLR because its a lot faster. That's what Microsoft does.
As far as Visual Studio and an IDE, I personally don't like them. Microsoft has done a very good job on the C++ compiler (except for eliminating inline assembly in x64). Its really hard to beat the generated assembly most of the time. When I have tested it, it has given results that are usually better than most other compilers. Intel's compiler is also good but I haven't used it in some years. Sometimes GCC is really good and sometimes not (for example, it can f**k up integer overflow by just deleting code, Microsoft gets it right regardless of the C and C++ standards).
I have, in the past, had to develop so that my code would run on multiple platforms. Consequently, I use the command line for compilation so that it will work cross platform. I use a mixture of tools and develop under Windows for convenience. Then I just compile my target code.
I have never seen an IDE I like. They usually force me to use a coding style I don't like and won't use. They all suck almost as badly as Notepad for editing. I use an editor with several thousand lines of extensions that is extremely powerful. That is critical to my performance. Just as importantly, I use a NorthGate OmniKey/ULTRA keyboard (always looking for more of those).
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