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Comment se fait-il que quand un développeur poste une question ou un commentaire sur certains forum (ici mais surtout ailleurs) et utilise un exemple délibérément trivial pour illustrer un point, il semble toujours au moins un intervenant qui ne tient pas compte de la question/réponse et déconstruit le code trivial ? Parfois longuement. Malheureusement le fil finit souvent être sur cette critique, pas à la question initiale.
Dans une veine connexe, quand quelqu'un a une question précise sur une bibliothèque, une personne toujours semblent suggérer une bibliothèque de remplacement. Je préfère la STL dans la majeure partie des MFC, mais si quelqu'un pose des questions sur, dire, CString MFC, c'est assez gênant de voir quelqu'un rabâcher que "you doit utiliser std::string. " (c'est ennuyeux surtout quand le commentaire sarcastique ne résout en fait tout le problème étant donné que la fonctionnalité n'est pas prise en charge dans la suggestion remplaçant. le pire est ceux qui disent "use boost"pour tout quand ils n'ont aucune compréhension des contraintes pétitionnaires ou il y a des solutions de rechange supérieures.)
EDIT : J'ai purgé maintenant parce que quelqu'un sur un autre forum cela ne me, mais il est très aggravant à google un problème, cliquez sur ce que vous pensez, c'est une réponse seulement à trouver un débat long sans rapport avec la question initiale toujours sans réponse (je cherche principalement à vous, débordement de pile).
(Google translate.)
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I was just being a smartass Joe 
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So was I. 
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Fine, I hear your vent, and my ears are still okay, and true 'tis that suffering shared may be suffering diluted; but, if you are venting re StackOverFlow, why not post your thoughts on their 'Meta forum ?
cheers, Bill
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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Joe Woodbury wrote: Unfortunately the thread often ends up being about <XYZ>, not the original question.
Unfortunately, that's human nature.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Oh, I thought you said "human manure".
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DavidCrow wrote: "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I agree with you.
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It is of my opinion and experience that Geeks/Nerds...IT/Software people are some of the most critical people in the world, not just my world.
I am guilty of this crime as well.
Joe Woodbury wrote: Unfortunately the thread often ends up being about this criticism
case in point...
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The worst part is that most of them are wrong.
I've only met a few people who were right, and agreed with me before I educated them.
throw new NullReferenceException(null);
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Dar Brett wrote: before I educated them
Are you really educating them?
Most "things" are not right or wrong, but an opinion of what is the correct way or wrong way. Some of these opinions are widely accepted, thus "turning" into fact, which of course, is not true.
I am of the opinion that if you are on a magical quest to educate people in your way of thinking, that you are on a quest of epic proportions where the treasure to be found is failure.
In summary, "who cares". 
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I never usually don't take it too seriously. I just like to argue and discuss pointless things to break the monotony, but occasionally I really do feel the need to actually educate people - Like when team leads think that source control is just a nice to have.
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In my opinion it's quite the oposite and I have found developers and other IT techies very easy going and forgiving. In my experience the most difficult nitpickers are Esperantists  Then again there are rather a lot of IT folks in the Esperanto community so perhaps the conclusion is that the difficult IT-ers are the ones who learn Esperanto and would that include me or am I exempt for I knew Esperanto before I knew anything about computers let alone programming.
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Why? Because I we they can!
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There seems to be more than one issue here, Grasshopper.
1) That there are unhelpful and aggravating people; and,
2) That acceptance of 1) has not yet occurred.
Which of these is more likely to yield itself to a solution?
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
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Concur. That's why I don't spend much time on forums.
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Stack overflow IS a problem in the developer world. It may be large, but its a cabal of the worst kinds of people this world has, and who have some kind of problem being normal.
Some world class developers post there, some known others with a common monniker you wouldnt guess. So just as Las Vegas is better than determinism, its a gamble whether you get an answer, and God have mercy if someone doesnt think your question is up to their standards of ?? so just what are their standards? Some cranky goof upset at their role playing and foul mood where perhaps other players criticized them, now they are mad and have the control to punish developers who are looking to solve problems in the real world... stack overflow SUCKS!!
let good or bad questions persist, let obviously wrong questions or answers persist, no they have the need to micromanage peoples' lives and get off on being sadistic, stack overflow users with control, SUCK!!
as Homer said: Ive seen people suck before, but they (stack overflow goofs) are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.
we need to boycott the use of stack overflow, insist on using code project or msdn or anything else. Its not just a minor annoyance, stack overflow is or has become a scourge on the developer world
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Concrete thinkers vs. abstract thinkers.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Joe Woodbury wrote: ...there seems to always be at least one commenter who ignores the question/answer and deconstructs the trivial code?
Maybe not everyone in the conversation has the same goals as you do. Maybe, as interested as you are in your answer, they are that interested in deconstructing the code, perhaps for learning. That doesn't make them an idiot or a griefer. Railing against their natural behavior raises your blood pressure without affecting them in the slightest.
If you ask 100 random forum-readers a question, you don't get 100 complete, correct, useful answers. You can usually find the correct answer in the mix. If you got your question answered, getting worked up over the non-correct answers has no value.
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I feel your pain, Joe, but recall that these forums are seen by many as venues for establishing reputation. Every time you post something, you're not simply asking for help, you're creating an opportunity for someone to score points.
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bkebamc wrote: I feel your pain, Joe, but recall that these forums are seen by many as venues for establishing reputation. Every time you post something, you're not simply asking for help, you're creating an opportunity for someone to score points.
Great point!
if someone comes to me with a resume saying they have a StackOverflow reputation or score of having downvoted or flamed 1000+ developers or whatever the h. a good score is supposed to be there? I will thank them and show them the door.
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(one of the hazards of writing for the office -- get called away to a meeting and forget to send it...)
Quote: I prefer STL over most of MFC, but if someone asks about, say, MFC CString, it's quite annoying to see someone harping that "you should be using std::string."
Hmmm... Was that some sort of a test ?? .. To see who would comment on it... ??
- std:string is not part of the STL.
- The STL is a product created and originally maintained by HP, then SGI, then AT&T then other (Matt Austern was the last maintainer I know of, and he kept bring it with him as he changed jobs)
- A variation of the STL (from 1995) was incorporated into the C++ Standard Library. Since the STL variant formed a large & pervasive part of the Standard Library, the Standard Library is oft-times mistakenly called "the STL" (see point 1 above), implying that it's a third-partry library (like the STL). It is not. The Standard Library is officially part of the language.
- Hence you cannot choose between "the STL" and "MFC". You are always using the Standard Library whether you want to or not. The only choice is if you use MFC "also".
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Truth,
James
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(At least you sent it. You could have rebooted and then forgotten all about your pedanticness. Months from now you would have woken in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, remembering your post, but by then it would be too late. You'd then spend the rest of your life fretting about the lost opportunity.)
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So this AM (6:30 AM) I was lined up to give blood for a blood test.
After tying off my blood supply with a tourniquet the tech tapped around for a while, picked a spot, and stuck the rather large gauge needle in to the hilt. He affixed a vacuum ampule.
Nada. Nothing. Well - a bit of steam, but that it. He started what seemed like intercourse between the hole in my arm and the fat steel tube in shove in. The he swung it back and forth a bit. Still a dry hole.
I convinced him to try the other side - where he found plump targets for his next attempt.
But it's weird. Even the hole he made in the first attempt took a while to show a bare trace of blood. He didn't even give me a bandage. I'm still puzzled. So far, only one conclusion.
Hence, the title.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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