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So I downloaded the Windows 10 (x86 and x64) 10586 ISO last month. Put it on a USB using Rufus and finally got around to getting a machine ready to install it on.
It is a computer that previously had Windows 8.1 upgraded to Windows 10 (not by me).
I have changed the HDD's and the RAM and booted from the USB fully expecting at some point to be asked for a key as the hardware is now different and it shouldn't be recognised as elligible for Windows 10 by Microsoft.
I want to enter a key, as I have a Windows 7 Professional license I can use to install Windows 10 Professional on this now.
Any ideas as to why this won't work as I would expect?
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Because Microsoft is involved? 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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That is caused by the method to store the activation. See for example here How to make sure your free copy of Windows 10 is activated | Windows 10 content from SuperSite for Windows[^]:
Quote: The basic process is that when you perform an upgrade to Windows 10 (over a genuine Windows 7 or 8.1 system), an anonymous and unique hardware hash is generated that is based on your systems hardware configuration. Since it is anonymous, you do not have to use a Microsoft Account. This hardware hash is generated even if you choose to install Windows 10 with a Local Account.
That same hardware hash is sent to Microsoft servers and a corresponding certificate is created to validate your systems activation status. From this point forward any future installs, including one where you delete all partitions and install Windows 10 from scratch, will be activated because of that unique hardware hash and the corresponding certificate. Since it is all stored on Microsoft’s servers there is no reason for us to keep a backup either.
There is no documentation about the parts that are used to create the hardware hash. But hard disks are obviously not included. A common assumption is that only the main board is used.
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Jochen Arndt wrote: There is no documentation about the parts that are used to create the hardware hash. But hard disks are obviously not included. A common assumption is that only the main board is used.
I have read that the Boot HDD, RAM, CPU and M/B are used.
It also shouldn't matter as when installing it should ask for a Windows Key and you have the option to skip if you want. Look at Get Windows 10[^], then too Using the media creation tool -> Perform a clean installation using a USB or DVD and check out points 7, 8 & 9.
I'm downloading the ISO again in case it has been upgraded again and performs differently.
If the installation connects to the internet without my permission to look for this, why then when booting in to Windows for the first time does it ask me to connect to the internet using the connection of my choice?
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I'm not convinced that the boot device is significant, at least for cloned copies; but it might be significant for new installs. I backed up my new W10 install from an SSD by cloning it to a 'normal' hard drive. I have verified that the hard drive is bootable; admittedly, it was tested on the same PC that the original install was done on.
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Jochen Arndt wrote: There is no documentation about the parts that are used to create the hardware hash
Yes there is, it's here[^].
But it's quite dated and I know it has been altered since. But I would assume the principle stands.
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The way I've heard it documented is to do as follows:
Installation of Windows 10 will never ask for a key. The key is entered later when you "activate" it.
1. Install Win7Pro with license
2. Activate.
3. Upgrade to Win10 Pro (it will absorb the license from Win7 activation)
or
1. Install Win 10
2. Activate with Win7 Pro key
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Would a Windows 8 key work as well?...I bought a couple of copies of that when they were selling cheap...
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DaveX86 wrote: Would a Windows 8 key work as well
Yes
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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'kay, thanks...I'll give it a whirl.
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Nobody got it, or was even bothered to ask for a clue etc., so its my turn again on Monday yay!!!
FOSW from Friday[^]
FYI it did bend the rules a little, each character did represent a character in the answer but I jumbled the characters up too, if I didn't it would have been obvious, does anybody know what the answer is? Don't worry I won't force you to setting one on Monday.
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I looked at it, didn't get anywhere, and forgot to look again!
What the heck was it supposed to be?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I didn't notice it! Sometimes when they drop off the "Our Community" list on the homepage, I forget to scour through the Lounge 
No idea on the answer though.
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Chris Copeland wrote: I forget to scour through the Lounge
I didn't but I still didn't see it. Perhaps it was covered in an invisibility cloak in honour of the recently deceased?
Anyway, no idea what the answer is.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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That wasn't bending then, it's called breaking!
So what the hell is the answer then?
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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Maybe HobbyProggy needs to add something to the rules: "must be solvable" perhaps?
Hang on, I just checked, and that's Rule 1[^]!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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...and I just noticed I get my very own exception to the rules as well
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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What are rules for if not to be broken...
Anyway the answer. I didn't think it was too difficult, shows what I know:
ḊṏḉṭṏṟJḉṔḝḝ
could be read as DoctorJcPee (the only answer picked up on that)
and DoctorJcPee is an anagram for CodeProject. Simple when you know the answer.
Mondays one will be more conventional.
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Display Name Taken wrote: I didn't think it was too difficult
How foolish we all now seem expecting that
ABCDAEFCGHH
represented
ABCDEFBGDAH
We shall have ourselves taken out and shot immediately!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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What you wrote is IMHO more complex than my FOSW and I have no idea what you are talking about.
Tell you what you answer and set one, cos I'm not bothering anymore.
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Oh dear, somebody fell out of the wrong bed this morning. What I wrote is simply a pattern template. The whole contest is predicated on the replacement of each letter with a symbol and therefore it should be obvious that any repeat of a letter gets the same symbol to be placed in the correct position.
The top line is the pattern you created, the bottom the pattern that was correct. There was no way that anyone was ever going to get the answer from your pattern when the actual pattern differed so much from it. If they'd expected to be looking for an anagram (as they would in CCC) then it might have been different.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Why am I getting the criticism? We've had at least two FOSW's that are "different" in the past.
In fact the one I guessed on Thursday was an Apple keyboard symbol and a pi symbol for pie (answer Apple Pie).
I honestly thought it was easy enough, would it have been easier if I'd written ḉṏḊḝṔṟṏJḝḉṭ ?
Nobody even asked for a clue for this one. Maybe because nobody wanted to set one, or maybe because nobody cares?
Anyway why not have a guess tomorrow.
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I asked Google (tm) this question...
"...How many active cell phones are in the USA today ?..."
Google responded with this (perfectly sensible, hardly surprising) URL...
www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=How+many+active+cell+phones+are+in+the+USA+today+%3F[^]
So far, so good.
The first nine hits were stories from USA Today
Not a one of them came close to actually answering the question.
Bing and Yahoo's Search (arguably the same entity) Did a lot better.
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Blame it on the ambiguity of interpreting the sentence?
Tried 'Today, how many active cell phones are in the USA?' and the results were dramatically different.
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