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And that's not true.
That mac in question had the ability to get on the internet via a rom shell (short of calling it a bios).
We could go out to the apple store with no os on it.
If it weren't for the nope you can't says apple store.
So neener neener now. 
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I didn't bring up the Internet Recovery thing because not all Macs can do it. Sheesh!
But otherwise, I have no idea what you're talking about. The entire point of the recovery system whether local or internet is to repair or replace the OS on the HD. I've used it. It works. And it doesn't require a visit to an Apple store.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Have you actually tried that or you just woofin' at me for woofin's sake?
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I've done it.
I have a 2009 iMac. 2-3 years ago I get an e-mail from Apple telling me they've had an unacceptable number of HD failures (on the type installed on my Mac). If I bring it to an Apple Store they'll swap it out for free. My Mac shipped with v10.6 but by this time I was running v10.9. Making sure my Time Machine back-up was good to go I brought it in. A couple days later when I bring it home it turns out the "genius" at the Apple Store put v10.6 on the new HD. I notice but figure the Time Machine restore will update it. Nope - turns out that since Time Machine is not an imaging back-up you really need to have the correct version of OS X on the HD before restoring with Time Machine. 
Now the HD is pretty scrambled. Luckily I'd taken the time to create a USB recovery disk when I'd updated to v10.9. Pop it in, boot to it, format HD, install OS X and restore from Time Machine. Took a few hours but in the end worked like a charm. Since then I've added Carbon Copy Cloner to my back-up strategy as well.
When all this happened I told my story to a work colleague who has an even older MacBook Pro. It motivated him to create a recovery stick as well. Sure enough, within a year his HD failed. He bought one on Amazon and used the same method.
Disclaimer: All this happened a few years ago and in neither case did it involve the Internet Recovery method.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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I meant had you done it via the met internet recovery method.
I'm raising the white flag man.
Truce.
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Depending on vintage of the MBP it could be an SSD or an HDD (ie. platters).
Apple also has a hybrid "Fusion" drive but I'm not sure it made it to their laptops. I'm sure you can find the exact specs online.
As mentioned they're standard laptop drives - nothing proprietary.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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You just have to follow the standard apple process:
1. Throw it out the window.
2. Buy a new one.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Interesting; Go MS!
"Microsoft brings this case because its customers have a right to know when the
government obtains a warrant to read their emails, and because Microsoft has a right to tell
them. Yet the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (“ECPA”) allows courts to order
Microsoft to keep its customers in the dark when the government seeks their email content or
other private information, based solely on a “reason to believe” that disclosure might hinder an
investigation. Nothing in the statute requires that the “reason to believe” be grounded in the
facts of the particular investigation, and the statute contains no limit on the length of time such
secrecy orders may be kept in place. 18 U.S.C. § 2705(b). Consequently, as Microsoft’s
customers increasingly store their most private and sensitive information in the cloud, the
government increasingly seeks (and obtains) secrecy orders under Section 2705(b). "
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2803275/Microsoft-challenges-constitutionality-of-gag.pdf[^]
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> complaining about DOJ
> to the DOJ
> hoping for DOJ limit itself
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Suresh7 wrote: hoping for DOJ limit itself
It can be done. The US is still in top 20 for Justice system if I am reading this correctly
WJP Rule of Law Index® 2015[^]
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No they are not complaining to the DOJ, nor are they asking the DOJ to limit itself. The DOJ is a federal law enforcement and prosecution service. It has no judicial powers nor does it appoint judges. In this case it will be a defendant like any other defendant and will be bound by any ruling the judge makes.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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How would the DOJ be defendant in court? Court by definition DOJ 
NVM, you are at England 
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Suresh7 wrote: Court by definition DOJ
No, it's not. The courts are entirely independent of the DOJ. The DOJ has absolutely no input into the appointment of judges or decisions or the interpretation of law.
The situation in England is exactly the same where the DOJ equivalent is the Crown Prosecution Service. It is the responsibility of both the DOJ and CPP to provide lawyers to represent the state in criminal prosecutions, co-ordinate evidence gathering and so on. If either is deemed to be guilty of misconduct in any particular case or in the execution of its duties in general then suit can be brought against it just as with any other professional body or Government Dept. That is precisely what Microsoft is doing, alleging that the DOJ has exceeded its powers and acted unconstitutionally. The DOJ will therefore be appearing in front of an independent court as the defendant in a civil suit. It will have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as any private citizen or body appearing before a court and no more.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Is artificial light made of fauxtons?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Brilliant comment. Enlightening!
Watt else can be said now that you've LED us down this path?
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Are you trying to become part of the illuminati?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I can't blame him for trying to shed some light on the subject.
/ravi
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Upon reflection, I see your point.
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I think we should lens him a hand so he can focus.
/ravi
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I bet he would be all aglow if we did.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Indeed! We would be his lights in shining armor.
/ravi
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Exactly, a ray of hope if you will.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Yes, it would leave him beaming.
/ravi
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Seems as though we are on the same wavelength.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Yes, that appears to be happening with alarming frequency!
/ravi
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