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My thoughts and prayers are with the French muslim community this morning. As a society, we (the west) must find a way to prevent whatever is driving good young men to actions like this. Whatever intolerance it is, must be rooted out by a sensible government.
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So you're asking for intolerance of intolerance? It doesn't take long to get very, very complicated, does it?
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9082365 wrote: So you're asking for intolerance of intolerance?
No. Just intolerance of immorality.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Just intolerance of immorality.
Immorality like, say, illegally invading a country on a pretext, having misled both your own cabinet and Parliament, because you wanted to please a hawkish President? Like I said, it gets complicated very quickly. There will never be an end to this as long as neither side recognises that some of the other's causes may be just and their grievances legitimate however base and evil their actions in support of them.
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Tolerate intolerance and you end up conquered. As in military conquered, i.e. slave.
Then we wouldn't be able to propagate tolerance ideals because we'd be flogged or killed for doing so.
NOTE: The second sentence ha been written using "we" instead of thye common "you" in order not to sound accusatory. There are probably better ways to phrase it but I'm no native speaker.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Live in a society that is completely intolerant of intolerance and you're a slave anyway. That's what those who live in the shadow of extreme political correctness are already saying. Free speech and dissenting opinion disappear, even become criminalised.
I hate to keep repeating the litany but it is far, far more complicated than anyone is suggesting in this thread. Correction all too readily becomes oppression. Punishment all too readily becomes vengeance; it hardly ever fits the crime. The persecuted, freed from their chains, all too readily become persecutors.
To every complex problem there is a simple solution ... and it's wrong! As long as we keep applying simple solutions the problem will get ever more complex and the consequences ever more terrible. The 'War on Terror' has done nothing but feed escalation, create martyrs, and make the refractory ever more intransigent.
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I totally agree with your argumentation, there are no simple solutions.
9082365 wrote: Free speech and dissenting opinion disappear, even become criminalised.
And that creates frustration and hate - not the best environment for searching good solutions to anything.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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PradeepGaggandeep wrote: My thoughts and prayers are with the French muslim community
Why do we (the West) have to figure out how to appease this community? Should they be involved in cleaning their own house.
Maybe it wasn't your intent, but you've effectively absolved the perpetrators and blamed the victims.
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yes, very sad 
je suis tres triste pour mon amis Francais et toute le Francais
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This is becoming a world level issue. Not one country but most of the countries are getting affected by these morons. My prayers to all the families and May God give them the strength to come out of the grief that has struck them.![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Vive La France !
with sadness, and respect, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Latest figures say 84 dead, 18 injured.
My thoughts are with the French today.
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Bomb Mecca.
Each time such an atrocity takes place, the affected country should bomb Mecca, Medina and any other place holy to Islam.
Maybe they will stop then.
If not, repeat the medicine.
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This is the most ridiculous statement I have seen. Why do you want to do that.
Statement like this inflames the situation.
cheers,
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Ridiculous - well not in a necessarily strategic sense.
A gorilla type army, particularly one that is highly dispersed, can go on indefinitely. The only way to really end such an insurgency is to attack the homeland to the extent that those sending them do not want any further damage as it is no longer worth the potential gains.
Daesh, for all practical purposes, doesn't have a homeland. Furthermore, losses to troops are not a concern (martyrdom and all that), even for the troops. So - without an 'homeland' or troops that can be demoralized, what do you do?
Attacks, such as in "everywhere", cannot be stopped directly. You need to hit the demoralizing option by whatever means. So - what shall it be?
Remember: The Taliban was planted in Pakistan by the Saudis, financed and raised, Daesh by Qatar, Hezbalah is a 'we didn't do it' proxy for Iraq. On and on.
So - what do you suggest we do? What will hurt enough to make them consider stopping? I've had some grizzly proposals of my own, but it's up to you.
What is the most moral route (if that's what you wish): How many lives (of innocent bystanders) are you willing to merely mourn? When do you work on prevention?
Your move.
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I don't want to discuss further and make in a soapbox material. If you post in SB I will reply it
cheers,
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Brilliant analysis! 
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Spot on!
You have just been Sharapova'd.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: A gorilla type army
Really tempting to post the navy seals pasta right now.
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That's not right, it would make us just as bad as them.
You can't condemn / attack an entire religion / people on the actions of a (relative) few.
It's the individuals that misuse the religion to get whatever they want, chaos, money, power, ...
It's those individuals we need to find and stop.
Every religion has it's radicals, yes at the moment the islam has the worst one's (maybe), but that doesn't mean that every moslim is bad.
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Vivic wrote: Maybe they will stop then.
They won't, and it most likely would have the opposite effect, more people would join the terrorist side.
And before you ask: I'm an atheist so I don't care about the religion part.
Tom
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: That's not right, it would make us just as bad as them.
I reply only to this affirmation, as I don't agree with the proposed solution but this sentence always catches my attention.
I (and I speak only for myself) wish not to be better than them. I wish to be able to go on with my life without the fear of an idiot coming to kill as much as he/she can without even the self-preservation instinct that every animal possess.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Not that his idea is good, but being morally superior is useless. It's no more than an opinion, it has no real effect on the state of the world. The other side is morally superior too, if you ask them. So where does that leave us?
Exitus acta probat.
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You seem not to understand.
There are no moderate Muslims.
There are only cowardly Muslims who keep their mouths shut when they hear hate speech about infidels, because they know they would be killed before the infidels if they should object.
So, bomb Islam's shrines to tell them that if they don't protest against hate speech/actions by fellow Muslims, there wouldn't be a Mecca for them to,turn towards, come prayer time.
I would go further. Give Muslims the same treatment Saudi Arabia gives non/Muslims: no mosques should be allowed and no gathering in private for worship either. They could live in the West exactly like minorities in Saudi Arabia live.
And off with their hands for stealing. If they want Sharia, they get Sharia in full force. Even if they don't want Sharia, they should get Sharia.
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Fire, meet petrol! 
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