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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I do have some experience in this area
Experienced in not having time?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I am abundantly overqualified in that respect.
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So say we all 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Do you know the recipe for time traveling to reuse the passed minutes?
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Thanks Pete!
I should have take you on that.... But it was already all in my mind, had to put it out! 
Preview is there: MVVM for beginners[^]
Let me know if you think if need some tweaking... Though I might go play Overwatch now!
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It's VM means ViewModel not MV means ModelView.
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Oopsie.... 
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Just fixed that...
Not sure when the article will update!
Thanks for finding the introductory text error! I might have mislead people! haha! 
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maybe you can approve the new version?!
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aka, MS rant. I have projects and subprojects. Microsoft lets marketing name the next features of their IDE. Now I have solutions. wt elephant was wrong with the last thing?
All I know is I want the stuff MS is smoking...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Incoherent rants are fine but they do rather make it difficult for anyone to respond! 
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I tend to use VS2008, however I ran into a problem the exes don't run on Win2000 so I am using VS2005. Why do I have to support stuff that is found in the back of a storage in deepest darkest China! (also Mexico)
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908 - I could ask a programming question
My point, other than to rant, why change a functional development model when all your doing is confusing the existing customer base? For what elephanting purpose are you doing this?
end_rant <-- forgot that.
Eventually I figures this out, but if there is NO functional difference to your changes, WTF are you doing changing it?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: why change a functional development model when all your doing is confusing the existing customer base
And I thought you were an experienced developer in the MS space. there are a few more you are going to have to learn!
Why change the functionality for no reason other than the break compatibility with a prior version?
Why inflict the bloody ribbon on the world?
Why deprecate a perfectly viable technology?
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but how come you're (still) using VS2008?
/ravi
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Not a stupid question
Simple answer: embedded development environment.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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You're gonna love VS2015! (at least when you start using it in 2023)
I came into this game for the action, the excitement. Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there's trouble, a man alone. Now they got the whole country sectioned off, you can't make a move without a form.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Yeah, especially the free telemetry data inserted into your code 
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That's what we paid the upgrade fee for..
I came into this game for the action, the excitement. Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there's trouble, a man alone. Now they got the whole country sectioned off, you can't make a move without a form.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Solutions are a good idea - they are "meta projects" where a number of projects are gathered together into a single solution. Basically, a Project generates an assembly, a Solution generates a collection of Assemblies that make up a whole application.
So you can have a Project for each of your DL, BL, and PL for example, and a Solution for your whole application.
Then when you retarget the DL from SQL server to a Cloud based DB, and redesign the PL for a Windows Surface say, you can create a new Solution, with a brand new PL, a new DL, and including the original BL project. Any changes to you make to the BL are reflected in both applications when they are next built.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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DL - database layer, BL - business logic, PL - hmmm.
Okay, that sort of makes sense. Coming from embedded other tools - we have projects and subprojects, or dependencies, etc. Never considered that sort of arrangement.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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PL - Presentation Layer. The bit that is specific to the user interface for a particular application / environment. You might have the same DL and BL with different PL for WinForms and website for example.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I like VS 2010 more. After that VS became crappy... 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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I actually like the Solution with projects model. It has a lot more flexibility over the older concept.
Were I still working on CE, I'd campaign to update to Windows Embedded Compact 2013.
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