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I suspect it is water proof.
As long as.... .... you don't expose it to water!
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It was bulletproof but then some idiot fired a gun at it!
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Another charge problem? What is wrong with the charging devices this year!?
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Faster, smaller, with more energy needed means more energy concentrated in less time and space. Which is by the way the very same functioning principle of a firearm cartridge...
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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den2k88 wrote: more energy concentrated in less time and space
So, you mean mobile phone developers are following Einstein's laws now?
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Yes, relatively speaking 
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Well spotted.
"Resistant" and "proof" are specific terms in the watchmakers' and electronics industries. From what I've seen of the itoy7 marketing, apple is ignoring the difference.
Speaking as one who's sick of all the bullsh1t from the computer industry over the past couple of years, I'm sick of all the bullsh1t from the computer industry over the past couple of years.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Speaking as one who's sick of all the bullsh1t from the computer industry over the past couple of years, I'm sick of all the bullsh1t from the computer industry over the past couple of years.
That's a wonderful sentence, and I am trying to remember the name for the rhetorical form it embodies: obviously repetition; maybe: symploce.
thanks, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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It'd have to be epistrophe, because the opening clauses differ -- although it kinda fits into the world of logical fallacies (e.g. affirmation of the consequent).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Each year after the September announcement the iBashing starts anew, but this year the bashing seems a little darker, a little harsher.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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The earlier versions were changes to a cool new technology with lots of marketing input (from all manufacturers).
Now, a smartphone is about as new or exciting as yesterday stale sliced bread 
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The government is using their control over the media to punish Apple
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Chris Maunder wrote: but this year the bashing seems a little darker
Well, they did come out with two shades of blacks, so... 
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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People are got enough (and much cleaner) air to inhale, need no thin air from Apple...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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There's 2 problems that the whole market kinda has in general, that for the manufactures are unfortunately conflicting.
- Smartphones are getting more expensive, so people can't afford to change them as frequently.
- They're running out of ideas for new features, it seems they've really taken a smartphone as far as it can go and they're just tinkering now.
Put them together, and users don't really have a reason or the enthusiasm to spend $700 to upgrade, and it looks that with the iPhone7, apple have failed to make the case to upgrade. If you've got the 6, or the 6s, you're going to look at the 7 a think, well the 6 seems fast enough, the camera is good enough for general photo's, and either you've not dropped it in water yet as it's still working, or you're insurance has replaced it if you have [and the premiums are no doubt cheaper than upgrading to a 'water resistant' phone].
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I think that it's pretty safe to say that the winio debacle has left a sour taste in many people's mouths, so any computer company that starts (or continues, in apple's case) making moronic marketing claims will catch more flak for it that usual.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Aaaargh, can't resist the bait any longer....
<interlude>
Yes, well spotted.
The only smartphone that could excite me at the moment, would have its battery time measured in days instead of hours.
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As expected, I think much of the hate comes from the Microsoft Mobile and Android faithful. The former have finally accepted that their platform of choice is well and truly dead. The latter has seen no real improvement to their fragmentation and security problems and the Samsung Note 7 debacle makes them feel vulnerable. Bashing Apple is a knee jerk reaction that helps their egos.
As for the Apple faithful... the iPhone 7 (like all new smartphones) is an evolution not a revolution. A couple nice features but not a sea change. There will always be the fanboys who get every new iDevice but for most people they'll wait until they actually need something. I think the industry calls it market maturity.
The one exception - Much of the media (for click bait reasons) and all of the haters are going ballistic over the death of the 3.5 mm headphone jack - much like they did when Apple killed floppy disks, optical media and Flash. Give it a year or two and everyone will rejoice and say things like "Remember when we used those old wired earbuds? Damn did they suck!".
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Imagine that... people in tech arguing, hating something for no good reason, and taking sides like cliques in high school. Never would've seen that one coming. 
Jeremy Falcon
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I've finally decided to stop relying on the super cheapo dumbphone for my mobile phone needs, and get a real smart phone. I am a world traveler, so it needs to be compatible all over the world, or at least in Europe (all, from Russia to Iceland) and Anglo North America (USA & Canada). I think this means that it has to be "unlocked", which is important with some phones in the USA, as they tend to be "locked", which sounds incredibly ridiculous to me, but then again the USA corporations have far too much power over the consumer, so I can see how the smartphone market is as ridiculous as the Rx market. If it matters for Europe vs. USA, I'd prefer to have the compatibility with Europe, and I'll just continue using my dumbphone in the USA.
I want to be able to use it for minimal websites, most notably Uber & Lyft and Skype, perhaps Yahoo! Mail & Google Maps. I also want it to be able to take a photo and play audio/video (FLAC, MP3, MP4, FLV, etc.), with the standard audio out jack, and have a slot for a micro SDHC. As for other apps, I'd like to be able to view & scroll a PDF or DJVU file, and play chess.
I understand that it is better to have a real keyboard instead of a touchboard since I've heard that the latter typically doesn't work well, so I'd like to have that. So far, I have only owned mobile phones with keys, LOL, so I don't know how bad they are.
As for the operating system, I'm open, although *true* compatibility with Windows 10 would be helpful, although if I were limited to Windows 8, I'd rather not go Windows at all, as that is a horrid OS. At the very least I want to be able to move files between my Windows 10 notebook system and the smartphone. I guess Android is pretty much the open default of smartphones, but I've heard a lot of bad things about its security.
As for battery charging, it's been my unfortunate experience with mobile phones that they all seem to have a proprietary charge specs and it's difficult to find a replacement charging adapter; of course, this could be because I keep using a mobile phone for years, well past its commercial obsolesence.
As for the size, I'd like for it to be as large as possible (to make the video & PDF app resolution as high possible) that could still comfortable fit in a jeans front pocket. I have no idea how big this should be, although I guess I will play around with some cardboard to figure out what is the optimal size. I'd also like it to be a standard enough size that it will be easy to buy a case for it.
Aside from all this, I'd like to be as rugged as possible. Also important would be ease & cost of simple repair like changing the screen or battery (which seem to be the 2 things I have been mostly fixing with my notebooks), including being able to buy such replacement parts at a typical electronics store in a major city. Oh, and most importantly, not too expensive! If there is a good model that is a lot less expensive than another model that is easier to fix, well then simply buying a new cheap one would be preferable.
I've been looking around Amazon for smartphones, and I am totally lost as to what to look for, and completely overwhelmed by the amount of choice in the market. For some reason, the notebook & tablet market seems to much easier to discern - or at least I've been comfortable buying hardware that tends toward a good value, and generally have been pleased. For Wintel notebooks, there doesn't seem to be a very high price differential between the top of the line and the cheapest, once the specs have been normalized. However, it seems that this is not the case for smartphones as the price differential is much larger. I'd hate to pay too much for a phone simply because of FUD.
So I think I've covered everything. Any good website or newbs would be helpful as well.
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TL;DR.
swampwiz wrote: As for the operating system, I'm open, although *true* compatibility with Windows 10 would be helpful,
You lost me there. Are you saying you want a Windows phone?
I use a Google Nexus 5 (Android) phone for development and love it. I strongly recommend it, unless you want to go the iOS/Windows route.
/ravi
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Member 12733523 wrote: Apple is the phone of choice for Terrorists and Child Mosletors[^] You dont want that to be you, do you?
While I personally don't use Apple products, I think that this statement is ridiculous.
Going by your logic, I could deduce that terrorists and child molesters also wore pants. Would that mean you won't wear pants?
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