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Don't be a fewl! We learned proper and can adapt. It's the kids I feel sorry for who only know how to build a site in node.js [or whatever Kool Aid they're on] and will be redundacised come the next Best ThingTM
veni bibi saltavi
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+; learning real 'C' has an influence on good housekeeping that lingers. And learning that was influenced from VAX Macro Assembler (which I've not used in decades) - but all that stuff is busily at work guiding the other stuff that needs to be done.
Maybe it's just the habit of being a bit more careful? Maybe it's knowing, with my limited subset of knowledge of the languages I use, how they work their magic under the thrall of the compiler. Or just guidance with orderly thinking.
They're never gone.
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knowledge is different than experience.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Quote: Every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home wine-making course, and I forgot how to drive?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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xyzzy
iddqd
Marc
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idkfa
idclip
idfa
Some things just won't go away.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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den2k88 wrote: idclip
I dunno, you kiddies...
That wasn't until DooM ][ -- it was idspispopd in DooM.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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While you oldies had powerful computers ath the time of Doom I had only Wolfenstein 3D and a PC so slow that the whole screen flickered when enemies approached the player. It was only in 1996 that I could play Doom and at the time there was Doom II in the stores.
I don't even know if the original Doom was released in Italy...
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Excuses, excuses...
AIRI, I first played Wolfenstein on a 286 (a DOS-based PS/2). There was a modified version going around that was supposed to work on an 8086, but there were nothing but complaints about it on the bulletin boards.
By the time I got around to DooM, I had massively upgraded to a 386!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Plugh!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Cheater!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Quote: Thank goodness my memory has a Guinness powered garbage collection function
I have a three-neurons circular buffer. 
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If you go deep into the I7 processor and peel back layer after layer, there is a reptile brain deep in the center.
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Or an 8086
(Same thing, no?)
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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When hard drives needed to be "low-level formatted" (this will most definitely be lost on the youngsters out there) :
debug g=c800:5
I also used to know how to use cobol to page-feed an entire ream of paper in a matter of a few seconds through a series of band printers connected to an IBM 360 mainframe. Drove the computer operators nuts. The computer room would be filled with paper.
We also like to completely unspool mag tape as a prank, or remove one card from a deck of punched cards.
Fun was had by all.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
modified 14-Sep-16 9:57am.
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Ah, the good old days.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Would a modern drive even respond to a low-level format request nowadays?
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A quick Interweb search says apparently so[^].
That surprised me -- as did the idea of paying for an app to do only that.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: remove one card from a deck of punched cards
So it was You, you &%$#*&$% ^%#$*%^*&$# &^$@#^%&^!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yes, it probably was.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I did that using FORTRAN on a line printer. Went through a box of 11 x 17 paper printing one garbage line per page (can't use the paper again) before they caught it. I believe the printer was bigger than a "Smart" car. Of course that was 30 plus years ago.
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: remove one card from a deck of punched cards
Two words: floor sort.
Software Zen: delete this;
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... or you can do it like the C guys and use the knowledge from the 60s ignoring everything that came after that. A couple of my coworkers do that.
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Actually, that comment is more nasty than most people around here realize!
One problem is that it isn't limited to the people who grew up at that time: To a significant degree, the same 1960s ideals are held up even for those who receive their education nowadays, as an epitome of flexibility, efficiency and whatnot.
Even people coming out with university level education of today, you frequently see them basing their fundamental understanding of the world on those concepts developed in the 60s or early 70s. Lots of the developments that were made in the 70s and the 80s are essentially overlooked by young people. They take for granted that 'Tbe best will win!' - so those ideas that made it, those surviving through the 90s and into our millenium by defition were 'better' ideas and concepts than those left behind. As if marketing strategies and business forces etc. has no steering affect at all. And maybe more important in this context: As if the academic world is perfectly protected against marketing of adademic concepts and ideological forces.
Surprisingly many of those educated the last ten years have no idea about the concepts and technologies developed in the 70s and 80s. It is not because they have studied and evaluted these concepts, and rejected them because they are too weak: They have never been introduced to them! But they have been introduced to concepts of the late 60s and early 70s and adopted them without any critical evaluation, because no alternative was presented.
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Yeah, I know... And it makes learning C++ needlessly difficulty. Modern C++ is expressive, concise, elegant and easy to read (except template witchcraft) but heaps of tutorials, articles and books still stick to the old style. Sure as hell, any modern C++ compiler will happily eat the very first version of the language (and even more happily eat raw C constructs) and don't even bother throwing a warning similar to "X is deprecated, use Y instead" like I'm used to from my Delphi compiler.
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