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Check this one out..
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010220/tc/microsoft_clarifies_exec_s_open-source_concerns_1.html
Whad-da-ya think?
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"In other words, Microsoft representatives warned, "anyone who adds or innovates under the GPL agrees to make the resulting code, in its entirety, available for all to use ... [which] might constrain innovating stemming from taxpayer-funded software development." "
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MS is saying that if the govt. uses open source (GPL'd) software, innovation may be constrained. this is, of course, total bullshit. the only innovation that will be constrained is that of closed-source software producers who don't make as much profit because the govt. didn't buy their products.
by that logic, MS can say that Sun, Oracle, Borland, Adobe and every other software manufacturer, closed source or open source is constraining innovation, too.
the proper term for this is FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt). MS wants to put FUD into potential open source customers, to scare them into buying MS's stuff.
if MS didn't own the desktop, i'd gladly develop for some other platform.
-c
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Yeah, right! So they say Linux is threading someone??? I don't think so!
CString Dutch = "Double Dutch";
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...Vote for the Last Option! 
Open source Inspires + Helps others for Innovation!
Thank you to all the contributors to Open Source Socity.
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Hi Folks,
I have a question.
Why majority of open source code is in Java?
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Its probably a SUN conspiracy
Regardz
Colin Davies
Ownguide NZ 
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Or because no-one would pay for it ???
( I'm kidding, I'm not anti-Java, particularly )
Christian
The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda.
To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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by far, the majority of GPL code is in C (not C++). as in: all of Linux itself, most of the major GPL apps, etc..
-c
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Statements such as "innovation is fuelled by competition" are thrown out as if they are indisputable truisms. In fact innovation is stifled by competition, as is quality. I realise this is blasphemy. I refer free-thinkers to "No Contest - the case against competition" by Alfie Kohn for starters.
Dave
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Perhaps the statement should of been:
Profits foster innovation. Giving software away reduces profits and therefore eliminates the willingness to innovate.
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I agree that profits foster innovation, but what we need to remember is that profit can include things like money (obviously ), respect from ones peers, the satisfaction of achieving something, all sorts of things. Human beings are complex creatures ( except the ones who watch Neighbours ) and different individuals are motivated by different things.
Christian
The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda.
To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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I tried paying my cable bill with Peer Respect last week, but the bastards only took cash.
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I guess the trick is to figure out what forms of payment are acceptable to different people. 
Christian
The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda.
To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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What innovative things have come about because the developers adopted an open source model? All I've seen are clones of commercial products.
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Just too many to mention here--PHP, perl, python, GNOME etc.
There has being a number of clones to provide free versions of some applications,
and to make it easy for others to switch, most tends to look and work like the
commercial versions. For instance, KDE initially did a lot of cloning Windows, but
is Windows itself not a clone? But skinning in KDE, GNOME etc is not a clone of any
commercial stuff (in fact not the collection of bitmaps labelled themes in Windows)
and Windows is not playing catch up with Windows XP.
Paul.
Paul Selormey, Bsc (Elect Eng), MSc (Mobile Communication) is currently Windows open source developer in Japan, and open for day job or programming contract anywhere!
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PHP is a ripoff of JSP which is a rip off of ASP, similar story for the others. Name an open source project that actually brings innovation to the development community instead of merely being a poor-mans substitute for a product that another comapany has spent the $$$ developing.
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Some would argue that devil-spawn like Perl are arguements against open source.....
I'm always just a bit curious who PAYS for all this open source development. Gosh...if I write an application and anyone can "improve" it, how am I supposed to make money?? I had a client last week claim ownership over some code I had written (and provided to them so they didn't have to have me involved if they wanted to do some debuggin)....they tried to license my code to another company without telling me.....gee....maybe the other company can put me out of business??? Nothing like spending 3 years working on something only to have it ripped off!
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devil spawn? as opposed to the perfection that is VB-script? perl is great in certain areas.
for almost any definition of open source you make money off of support. simply because a customer has the source, doesn't mean he'll have the time or resources to debug and problems himself. so, when you sell your app, you sell a support contract too. when the app doesn't do what the customer wants, you charge consulting fees for adding new features.
did you put appropriate copyright notices at the top of each source file? did you retain ownership, or did your client own the source as well as the binaries?
-c
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Smaller Animals Software, Inc.
http://www.smalleranimals.com
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I'm confused....where did I say I like VBScript?? Where did I say I like scripts at all?? Scripts are to compiled languages what what VB is to C++ or Java.
As for copyrights, they are there, and if you have the source, they can be removed. The notion that people will come to you for all their support needs seems to have backfired for Linux companies...and the company that is trying to get my source has no intention of using me to develop it farther....they would rather get a cheaper (VB) developer who lives closer to their company office. The other issue is that when most people ask for "features" they don't really know what they want....someone else has a package that does X so I want X.....instead of saying, they use X to get to Y....could you get me to Y faster or easier...but when you ask people why they want X, they tend to get upset....they want X and you're not giving them X....so if you're not careful, they would prefer someone who will "give them what they want"!
While I'm sure that the notion of open source deriving income from support is a good one, I suspect it was thought up by an engineer who was sure that no marketing person could ever be as smart as they are.....
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i said perl = example of open source innvoation
you said perl = abomination and possibly an argument against open source
i said vb script = abomination. i could have said VB, ASP, C#, etc.. the implication is that closed-source languages (and projects in general) have no claim to superiority over open-sourced simply because they're closed-source. people can be stupid on either side of the fence.
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if they have removed your copyright notcies or are using your source against what's in those notices (and you can prove it), then i hope you are talking to a good lawyer. it doesn't cost much to get a nice legally threatening letter written.
-c
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Smaller Animals Software, Inc.
http://www.smalleranimals.com
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I just was trying to keep the discussion within the scope you put forth!!!
I don't seem to have ever heard anyone claim that closed source was better....I HAVE heard open source people say that they are better...that people can expand the code base and fix bugs....but to be honest, I don't want to fix someone elses bugs or deal with software that isn't very friendly....I've already enough to do, I don't need to be chasing through someone elses code to try to fix it!
As for dealing with lawyers....gosh, I don't need to deal with lawyers if I avoid opening my source code....I don't want to have to deal with lawyers....I want to develop solutions which I'm paid fairly for.
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