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I personally actually HAVE changed the world, I got access to the source code 
Good luck to all you sea drops out there...
Never underestimate the difference U can make in the lives of others.
∫(Edo )dx = Tzumer
∑k( this.Kid) k = this. ♥
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Ok, where did you get the source code from?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: where did you get the source code from?
Another one that does not see the matrix 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Another one that did not see my signature.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Another one not catching an ironic joke  
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Another one... <mumble, mumble=""> [can't think of a good comeback anymore].
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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All I do is flush data down the drain 
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artist? No. Just, no.
craftsman? maybe some day. But no.
engineer? Not sure I buy that either.
People take themselves WAY too seriously.
Why not just add "cyberjocky" and "Level 37 Hacker" while you're at it?
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The software is more like a craft that a science. Is the only explain of those millions of different solutions to the same thing: such different programming languages, frameworks, architectures, perspectives.
If you wouldn't take yourself seriously, you wouldn't bother yourself to write that post, you would laugh in front of a mirror
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Calling myself an engineer doesn't seem right. It somehow reminds me of how lawyers (I used to be one) changed their titles in the USA. The initials after the name were once LLB (bachelor of law), then, because lawyers wanted to be equal in status to doctors, they changed it to JD (juris doctor). Although there are plenty of principles we apply as programmers, it doesn't seem to quite be the equivalent of engineering. On the flip side, we do make many aesthetic choices. It seems closer to art, although calling ourselves artists would be, I suppose, equally pretentious.
modified 16-Jul-13 11:28am.
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I have a PhD and I like to think it stands for "Programmer, hard Driven".
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Speak for yourself.
I am a 'real' engineer. I have 2 Bachelor degrees: electrical engineering and computer science. The way I look at it, one is hardware related and one is software. I do much the same activities with both... I solve problems by designing and building something, using judgement, sound principles and certain measures of quality and craftsmanship. You can build something elaborate, simple, quality, junk, big, little, creative, mundane. Whatever I build has users. Sometimes I am high up in the hierarchy, sometimes on the bottom rung, and different levels of problem detail are addressed at each activity level. There are elite designers and monkeys in both. IMHO both are engineering.
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Harvey
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I think the point is not so much what we do. My guess is that what I've done is not terribly different in character that what you've done. The question is what we call it. I'm really fine with our having a semantic difference. After all, the question was "As a coder.. what do you see yourself as?" I answered it, as you point out, for myself. I'd never presume to speak for you. 
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Hmmm... That seems (to me) to be in opposition with what you originally said. You didn't seem to like the idea of being or claiming to be an engineer.
Oh well, I'm an engineer whether you like it or not!
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Harvey
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I don't see the contradiction, Brydon. The question asked how I see myself. Even if you and I do roughly the same work, I'm free to see myself as not an engineer, and you're free to see yourself however you like. Whatever makes you happy is fine with me.
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I see myself as CListCtrl. Maybe it's time to move to mobile development?
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Definitely a beginner. So much to learn, so little time.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: So much to learn, so little time.
So much to learn, so little of it sticks.
No doubt. It's due in no small part to copious amounts of extraneous bullsh*t (of framework X/methodology X)
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: So much to learn drink, so little time.
ftfy Yoda!
If your a beginner, I'm a flippin' foetus!
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
"Nagy, you have won the internets." - Keith Barrow
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Definitely a beginner. So much to learn, so little time.
Scary thought, but I think you are right...
And to think that someday I may catch up to you.
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Harvey
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I like to think of me as a Software Engineer or Solution Architect but when we arrive at an already ongoing project we will always find ourselves adding one more tube (hopefully the best one possible) to successfully lead the water (more or less dirty) somewhere, sometimes not even clear where...
On top of that, and until now, I managed to code on and for everything I needed so yeah, I'm a plumber!!
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... and also as a Creator, a Researcher and foremost a Problem Solver. I like what I do as a developer and I'm proud of it.
Cheers,
Lizandro Campbell
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It sounds very crazy. but most of the time, whenever I solve any major/critical bugs and get wowed by mates I really feel very proud. At the same time, I am more like a problem solver, That is what I think about my profession.
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