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I remember in year 2005/2006 every one talking about advantage of vs 2005 over vs 2003. and now same for vs 2008 over
vs 2005.
I don't understand why in every 2 or 3 year micro soft come up with new development. and tell the old development is faulty and bad, after all this new development also be going to update some days.
I just started to work in vs 2005 in year 2006 and now new vs 2008 has come. so now i have to go to vs 2008 in some time. As client now want there application in vs 2008, with just same requirement
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Viral Upadhyay wrote: tell the old development is faulty and bad, after all this new development also be going to update some days
Do they call faulty? I don't think so. They optimistically showcase the new features' upperhand over the current versions.
Viral Upadhyay wrote: I don't understand why in every 2 or 3 year micro soft come up with new development.
They also need to make profits with more sales right?
Viral Upadhyay wrote: As client now want there application in vs 2008, with just same requirement
This is in line with a famous saying "Old wine in new bottle".
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Vasudevan Deepak K wrote: Do they call faulty? I don't think so. They optimistically showcase the new features' upperhand over the current versions.
Opps sorry lets say not good enough, just remember a addver. i seen when microsoft launch vs 2005 over vs 2003 that make me think so.
Vasudevan Deepak K wrote: They also need to make profits with more sales right?
Yes u r right, but so many friend of mine dont want to buy vs 2008 and just download experss edition of it. (they just want to wait till a new development or some real good thing they found in vs 2008). Also it is cost us too very much.
I must say, still i think i haven't use some feature in vs 2005 and i am thinking to buy new version(vs 2008).
Vasudevan Deepak K wrote: This is in line with a famous saying "Old wine in new bottle".
Totally agree with you 
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Viral Upadhyay wrote: just download experss edition of it.
Express Editions are like promotional offers. They collect the download statistics and then this can be used to sell the bigger product to huge clients with a good number of license.
That is a good compelling selling strategy most software houses adopt.
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Also Express editions are designed to keep open source at bay.
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i also use express edition of vs 2005, and i must say its very nice. Now i expect same for vs 2008 express edition.
But at this moment i can's comment on it as i didn't use it.
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I guess that MS has very healthy marketing strategy and applying directly in every 2-3 years.
As an architect/designer/programmer, they wanted to learn as fast as they could the new features and the diff , etc and implement asap....
After repeating this trend, even end users are getting confused.....?? 
Thx
Deepthi V
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Deepthi Viswanathan Nair wrote: they wanted to learn as fast
And they expect us to keep up with their high speed too. With a large audience, a few might be able to cope up with that speed. I still see a significant number of companies in Chennai which resort working on web applications powered by ASP and desktop applications in VB.
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I think the IDE was the best so far (though I have almost no experience with 2008).
Yes, the compiler was sh*tty (or, rather, old).
The debugger was clearly inferior.
But the IDE itself did not eat up so much screen real estate and resources. Just to be there.
One could easily clean up some files when intellisense had a hickup.
The resource-editor was more forgiving when one manually fiddled with the resources.
Al in all - the feel was better.
For the C#ers, things may be different, but from my C++-MFC-Persepective, VS6 was best
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jhwurmbach wrote: VS6 was best
VS 6 also has VB in it, which is a dinosaur. 
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I suspect most interpret VS 6 IDE as VC++ 6 IDE.
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Vasudevan Deepak K wrote: VB in it, which is a dinosaur.
I did not even install VB...
I only use C++/MFC.
But as I said, I prefer the VS2005 compiler anytime,
I just liked the VS6 IDE more!
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I'm a great fan of 2008, as long as the Visual Studio SDK is installed too. This setup allows you to extend and integrate with the IDE in some powerful ways - new languages can be well integrated.
I'm a particular fan of the DSL Tools that allow you to build graphical Domain-Specific Languages (looking similar to Class Designer, UML Statecharts, Activity Diagrams and Component diagrams), and then generate code for a target environment - this is a particularly powerful metaphor.
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I do C# dev mostly, so C++ support isn't important to me. VS2005 introduced a lot of nice features, but the editor was a little slow, compile times sucked, and memory usage was too high. VS2008 improves on and adds to the features, but has sped up the editor and compile times, and reduces the memory usage a fair bit.
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Have you had any issues with it randomly closing when you resize or move debbuging wpf applications above the ide?
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I miss the suggestion "None"...
ok, I must admit that some options are cool (I only know 2005) but I still don't really like it.
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Agreed about 'None'. Sorry to have to say this but I haven't used a Microsoft IDE since leaving school...
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I'm on dial-up so I don't yet have a chance to try VC++2008(express),
but VC2005+PlatformSDK+WTL is really all you need to create any app.
Beside, as a beginner I'd be lost without Intellisense
(it should be way faster, though).
Only thing that makes VC++ short of perfection is refactoring; there is a free add-in, but it should be out-of the box feature.
WTL IMHO is the best thing that ever happened to us (and it's free!).
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WTL has been our chosen framework for all C++ development since 2004 (in fact I'm in the middle of moving the last of our MFC dependent products over to it right now).
We've just moved from a VS2003 + WTL 7.5 combination to VS2008 + WTL 8 and it's working just fine for us (with Visual Assist spicing up the code editor and adding refactoring as always).
The only downside is the lack of up to date documentation, so you need developers who aren't afraid to read and understand the source.
In the sort of product we write, that's no bad thing though...if a dev can't understand framework source code, the poor soul is definitely not going to cope with the ideosyncrasies and downright strangitude they will encounter when they try to get to grips with the Visual Studio extensibility (VSX) interfaces. :evil grin:
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that the responses strongly favored the older versions, implying that the newer versions were junk?
oh, excuse me; the newer versions ARE getting suckier; it's enough to say 'Bring on WordStar 3.3' :-P
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Jeff Dickey wrote: the responses strongly favored the older versions, implying that the newer versions were junk?
It depends on what software you are developing. The folks that do C++ prefer the older versions because it was tailored to them better. The folks that do C# and VB.NET prefer the newer versions because a lot of work has gone in to making the IDE great for them, but haven't really done anything for the C++ guys.
I still rembember VS6.0 with fondness for when I did C++
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: but haven't really done anything for the C++ guys
Sad, but true. 
I remember reading on the Visual C++ team blog that there are great things to come our way with VS 10 (umm... if I remember the edition right) 
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I still rembember VS6.0 with fondness for when I did C++
True, but that compiler was probably one of the worst ever.
I like the 2005 IDE and the Visual Assist plug-in for intellisence
codito ergo sum
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BadKarma wrote: True, but that compiler was probably one of the worst ever.
Not really. When it was released (early 1998?) it was one of the best compilers on the market. The problem is that others were catching up very quickly, and MS did not release a new compiler until 2002.
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Ok, maybe I'm a little biased, because I tended to use templates and stl a lot.
But hey, I've used it 'till the 2005 came around.
And MS is indeed to slow on there c++ compiler releases. I'm wondering what they will do with TR1 & C++0x. It doesn't ship with Ocras. Hopefully there will be a SP for the C++ compiler.
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