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Jon Plotner wrote: It is safe to assume
It is never safe to assume.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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I am using the word "safe" in the phrase "it is safe to assume" as meaning it is probabilistically likely. So it is probabilistically likely that users of this forum know more about CS and relevant topics than I do. This is a grounded assumption.
I believe a better version of what you strive to communicate is "there is risk involved in assumption", or "be careful when you assume"
my "safe" = probabalitically likely
your "safe" = risky/dangerous
So, we are using different meaning equivalents of the word "safe". Our statements are separate statements on the word assume.
So sometimes, it "Is safe to assume." 
TLDR: our statements may seem contradictory, but they are just using different meaning for the word safe.
Words are fun.
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Whatever ... 
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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Networking. Because in general it is more useful in a wider variety of business domains.
I suspect as well that it might give a better appreciation for what 'protocol' means in defining interfaces between different business "layers" (and I specifically mean that word in a very, very general sense.)
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Thank you
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Personally I would have said Machine/Assembly Language as if you have never done any low level coding (assembly), Networking fundaments that does means you stand a greater chance of becoming a front end writer with no appreciation of what happens at low level and become a *B.NET programmer who over uses the phrase 'awesome' & 'dude'. 
my two cents, but hey if you can do both!
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Further proof of quantum entanglement manifesting as "direct action at a distance" in cultural phenomena is dramatically revealed:[^], [^].
Do not be surprised if the subtle connection is transformed by your observing it.
“There are obvious things, and there are many obvious things no one tried, because no one needed to try them.” Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov, January 1, 2014
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PETA are flat out nuts. I am astounded at how easily girls agree to disrobe in public in order to help spread their lies and propaganda. The guy who runs it is clearly an evil genius.
Christian Graus
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Christian Graus wrote: I am astounded at how easily girls agree to disrobe in public
I'm sure they get paid for it.
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I know one. They do not.
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Christian Graus wrote: I know one.
In the biblical sense? 
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No, she was my pen pal before going nuts via Peta.
Christian Graus
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fyi: many men, movie stars, musicians, etc., have posed for PETA posters in various states of dishabille.
fyi: the founder, and now international President, of PETA is Ingrid Newkirk.
No, I am not a member of PETA, and I look at their vegan-in-your-face performances as being a waste of time, but I applaud their good work in reducing the unnecessary cruelty to animals in medical, and cosmetic, research.
“There are obvious things, and there are many obvious things no one tried, because no one needed to try them.” Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov, January 1, 2014
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If you look under the hype, they are zealots and liars. Did you know they take animals for adoption and immediately kill them?
Christian Graus
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Same as beefcurtains (commented on the page BW linked to) I'm a proud member of PETA:
"Beneath that lettuce is some enticing meat. But then again I'm a member of PETA already.
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals.
Ahh, them pretty animals and they're wrapped in lettuce. It's all about balance..", beefcurtains
Or this one: "I love PETA, cats (but I cannot finish a whole large one by myself), and dogs (especially Chihuahuas in burritos). If my humor offends you, I am glad.", Mike Gillmer
Enough said, cheers!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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Christian Graus wrote: If you look under the hype, they are zealots ...
PETA?
If you call them zealots then what word do use to describe the organized and not so organized animal rights groups that are really out there?
Christian Graus wrote: Did you know they take animals for adoption and immediately kill them?
Probably have to see more about what you specifically mean by that. But given that they are not in fact zealots in my view I would suspect that although they do have a unrealistic view of animal husbandry they do in fact, or at least most of them, recognize that sometimes animals need to be euthanized.
One must of course recognize that that any animal rescue operation either must have a maximum limit or must euthanize animals. Naturally of course there are zealots, again in my view, that think that there is some other magical solution (sometimes while ignoring the inhuman conditions that result when taking an unlimited number of animals into a limited space.)
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OK, here are the specifics:
1 - my old pen friend joined PETA. She defriended me on facebook because I kept explaining how all her links to stories about how cruel all animal farming is, were flat out lies.
2 - PETA runs animal adoption centres that euthanize the animal in the back of the truck they use to pick it up. This has come out because some people have donated their animal and changed their mind and could not get it back.
3 - PETA was started by someone who cleaned labs where animal experiments took place. They ruined the scientists they worked for, by staging photos where THEY abused the animals, who were otherwise well treated, although I accept that there's moral questions over the fact that experiments were being done at all. PETA was started by someone deliberately torturing animals and taking photos.
They are zealots because they think the end justifies the means, and that becomes an excuse for behaviour that is at odds with their claims. They are zealots because they deliberately tell lies that only weak minded people who have never left a city or seen a farm, could possibly believe. Their business is outrage, it pays them well, and they generate it any way they can. I don't doubt that most of the members, and probably even the founders at first, had great ideals, but they fall short of them.
Christian Graus
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Christian Graus wrote: She defriended me on facebook
That is a grievous wound, Christian, and we know (how well we know) how exquisitely sensitive you are to every wound, every annoyance, and how terribly the Goddess Nemesis toys with you, continually mucking up everything in your life from airplane reservations to the use of programmers' tools.
I worry the scar (on top of so many other scars) may not have healed, even though I entertain the idea that, as so often, the Goddesses toy with mortals who have special gifts, special potential ... as if they can see future hubris in its larval form, and wish to "nip it in the bud."
I believe a journey to Thailand and a ceremony of exorcism here in Chiang Mai by a local Mor Phii (sorcerer who can neutralize negative supernatural influence) could be very helpful to you. I know such a sorcerer, who channels, in trance, a 30,000 year-giant, in Thai, called a "Yak," in ancient Hellenic times, a "Titan," in ancient Vedic times, a "Guna."
You can see him "in action" as Yak here: [^].
Is it possible for you to travel here under an assumed name to throw Nemesis off-track ?
with concern, your older (but never wiser) brother, Bill
“There are obvious things, and there are many obvious things no one tried, because no one needed to try them.” Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov, January 1, 2014
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ROTFL - yes, very funny. I was disappointed, but really my point is not that I miss the friend, but that she gave me, through a few months of discussion, a window in to the fantasy world of the average PETA devotee, and how divorced their views are from reality.
Christian Graus
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Yes, it is, perhaps, inevitable, that from a single experience, particularly if that experience is coupled with emotional involvement, or passion, the mind moves to distill an "average."
And, who is to say that an attar, of even a few molecules, extracted from a single blossom, is not the very essence of the rose, no matter what our nose knows ?
Not I.
“There are obvious things, and there are many obvious things no one tried, because no one needed to try them.” Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov, January 1, 2014
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*grin* you're quite poetic. I did do some additional reading, that's how I know about the pet death vans. I also spoke to many of her friends and observed their interaction. I also read all the propaganda that she posted, which came from PETA.
Christian Graus
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Christian Graus wrote: 1 - my old pen friend joined PETA.
Whether your friend is a zealot or not has nothing to do with the general membership of the organization.
Christian Graus wrote: 2 - PETA runs animal adoption centres that euthanize the ...
It doesn't matter how you phrase what you claim they are doing - I would still like to see something more than just your views on this specific issue.
Christian Graus wrote: 3 - PETA was started by someone who cleaned labs where animal experiments took place...
Which is irrelevant. That is somewhat like claiming that the US holds slaves now because many of the founders of the US did.
Christian Graus wrote: They are zealots because...
Most of what you cited has nothing to do with what a zealot is. So apparently you definition is different than mine. Other than that most of your claims apply in the same way to a vast number of US originated political organizations. Marketing, which is basically all PETA does these days, doesn't equate to zealotry. And there are in fact other organizations such as the Animal Liberation Front which are in fact 'zealots' as based on the standard definition of that word.
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jschell wrote: Whether your friend is a zealot or not has nothing to do with the general membership of the organization.
Probably. Like the Catholic church, it probably has a core who mean it, and a lot of people who just are vaguely interested.
jschell wrote: It doesn't matter how you phrase what you claim they are doing - I would still like to see something more than just your views on this specific issue.
Google broken where you live ?
jschell wrote: Which is irrelevant.
Really ? So the guiding ethos of the creators of the organisation is animal torture and lies, but that's irrelevant ?
jschell wrote: Marketing, which is basically all PETA does these days, doesn't equate to zealotry.
Marketing which mostly exploits women, yes. Which is another reason to object to them.
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Christian Graus wrote: it probably has a core who mean it, and a lot of people who just are vaguely interested.
Not sure what you mean. But restating what I have said...my impression is that the people who actually run PETA for the most part run it exactly like any other mainstream political organization which is to say the activities that they engage in are standard marketing activities.
Christian Graus wrote: Google broken where you live ?
So you don't.
Christian Graus wrote: So the guiding ethos of the creators of the organisation is animal torture and lies, but that's irrelevant ?
The current behavior of PETA is as I stated above.
Christian Graus wrote: Marketing which mostly exploits women, yes
Marketing is marketing. Same tactics for selling cars and politicians and everything else. Attempts to restrict marketing for 'ethical' reasons ends up doing nothing more than creating a niche company without any reach.
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jschell wrote: my impression is that the people who actually run PETA for the most part run it exactly like any other mainstream political organization which is to say the activities that they engage in are standard marketing activities.
So you're saying they do nothing for animals at all, they just market the idea of doing something ?
jschell wrote: So you don't.
Google is not broken where I live. I've read quite a bit, that's where the things I said, came from.
jschell wrote: The current behavior of PETA is as I stated above.
So a group that used to torture and kill animals 'for the greater good' now does nothing for animals at all, and just engages in marketing. That could be. But, I'm more inclined to suspect they do what they always did, but hide it better. Would you support the KKK if it just became a marketing group, who solely presented their views in the media ?
jschell wrote: Attempts to restrict marketing for 'ethical' reasons ends up doing nothing more than creating a niche company without any reach.
The difference here is that they get women who are NOT models, and get them naked on the news. The difference is that these girls may find that their actions bite them down the track, and they've not understood the implications, nor have they made money to act as a balance to the risks they are taking.
Christian Graus
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