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In the west, ethinc Germans (they migrated there centuries ago). In the east, Russians.
They have separate languages, separate cultures, and different loyalties: In WWII western Ukrainians joined the German forces to fight the Russians.
And today, the EU, headed by Germany, is fighting with Russia for the Ukraine....
There's a lot of bad blood there, its a powder keg waiting to go off.
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The Ukrainian Navy is well equipped. The out-going President has a Spanish galleon in his presidential compound. If Putin does send in troops, we in the west will stamp our feet and holler "Foul play". It remains to see what he does. I did notice on the news there was some nice totty on duty in Independence Square. That's my view (left-field) from here in Crawley.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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A case of 'be very careful or history repeats itself' I think
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You just know it's going to be trouble when the protesters man the barricades armed with real grenades rather than Molotov Cocktails...the BBC news showed one cop getting his foot blown off trying to kick one away... 
But I did find it amusing to hear yesterday that Traffic Cops are patrolling in Kiev, provided they are escorted by protesters! 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Yeah, its a total collapse of the system.
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what about the twit with an air rifle that was wandering about last week at the height of the troubles!
I mean unarmed people were being shot and he has an air rifle?
what was he thinking! (only thing I can come up with is "shoot me, shoot me")
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Why is it OK in your eyes for a female to abuse a position of trust and have sex with an underage boy in her care, and not when the genders are reversed?
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Well, maybe because a lot of male students want to do it with the good looking female teacher.
But it's still not okay 
I'd try to date her when i leave School XD (what i already have, so get her to meh  !)
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That isn't really an excuse: we had a case in 2012 when a male teacher ran off to France with a 15YO female student: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/349282/Teacher-who-ran-off-with-girl-15-to-be-flown-back[^] - she was certainly willing, but it was still wrong in so many ways.
Just because the juvenile wants something, doesn't make it right.
In the case of teacher / pupil relationships, it is a worse break of trust than "normal" underage sex (which is itself statutory rape IIRC) because the teacher should very, very definitely know better regardless of gender.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I fully agree with you, a teacher should know that even if the Student is willing ist not legal.
Teacher + Student -> WRONG
Teacher + underaged -> WRONG
but i am neither of both
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OriginalGriff wrote: st because the juvenile wants something, doesn't make it right.
Right and wrong eh? You really thin you, or the law, knows?
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HobbyProggy wrote: maybe because a lot of male students want to do it with the good looking female teacher.
FTFY
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Well, he actually haven't said anything about the reversed roles has he.
I'm recalling the talk of some of the girls at my highschool that went in the lines of not minding some abuse from a certain teacher.
And the only reason that the boys in my class didn't have any fantasies of that kind was that we were simply lacking the objects.
And the implication is that boys will be boys, but also that girls will be girls.
And teachers abusing their position are doing wrong no matter what.
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OriginalGriff wrote: to abuse
I don't know about you, but when I was 15 I wouldn't have called it abuse! (She might be a teacher, but she is tasty I think you'll agree)
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Just because you wouldn't have called it that (and I wouldn't at that age, I'd have called it a miracle) doesn't stop it being abuse. That's kinda the point of having a legal age of consent - and teachers are supposed to be in a position of trust, which includes not taking advantage of students.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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How is it taking advantage? How is it abuse? Its only wrong in the eyes of the law and that's the issue. We have some arbitrary law inherited from some other age, laid down by some sexually repressed and morally judgemental law makers. Do you really base your concept of right and wrong on that?
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No - I base them on my standard of behaviour, but I don't expect people to live up to that. Heck I have difficulties living up to my standard from time to time!
But...you do need a "cutoff point" or you do end up with abuse. If you don't have an (admittedly arbitrary) age-based limit then you need to have a "competence test" system of some form which is horrendous to organise, administer, and monitor. The cutoff point in the UK is set as 16 (Vatican city has it at 12) which is pretty much reasonable - not so high that you can't fornicate befoer middle aged spread sets in, but at a point by which all "reasonable" people would agree that someone should be able to make their own decisions. Remove the cutoff point completely and you have a licence for perverts to do what they want, when they want: I imagine it would be relatively easy to "persuade" a four year old to do almost anything if you had enough chocolate.
The "position of trust" bit is even easier: you don't do it.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Well that age is taking it too far of course, that not what this story is about so it isn't relevant.
In fact there is existing law to protect anyone from begin forced to have sex, so the only reason that we have an age of consent is because we don't think any one under that age is capable of deciding. And that's a mistake. Loads of kids decide to have sex below that age, heck its normal to lose your virginity at about 14 or 15. I don't see any reason that being shown the ropes by an experience older woman, and we are only talking about a woman in her 20s here, is a bad thing, and compared to the furtive, and clumsy sex 14 years olds have, probably a good thing.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Vatican city has it at 12
What a coincidence that altar boys start at 12 years of age! 
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Where is the high five icon, remember the lame Adam Sandler movie? The entire arrest and court scenes were so funny and so true.
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And now switches from Whats App to an alternative because Facebook baught it?
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Why need to switch 
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You can have group of more than 50 users in Telegram plus you can send much bigger files and it's suppose to be faster.
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And Telegram is? And who own it?
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