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chriselst wrote: They urge people not to vote
Then sir, I put it to you, they are complete and utter wock combles! If you don't vote then you'll be ignored. Anyone who says ot's the other way round should just compare the demographics of voters against who the MP's support and help. You vote and they listen.
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To be fair they do say not to vote but to go and organise a revolution instead. If you are going to revolt then you don't really need to vote.
Looking at the local effect they are engaging people (hustings, local media, social media), and I think their presence will increase the numbers of younger people who vote despite their official line being not to.
We are in a very safe Tory seat, their don't vote line is I think as much to do with raising awareness of the value of individual votes in different areas under the system we currently use.
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Its gonna be a pretty cold period of their reign, do they claim the frozen throne?
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Greens should probably be more concerned about local issues before thinking global?
I guess there's nothing wrong with ambition!
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They can think global all they want; I fail to see how they're going to enforce this outside of their country.
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Not a problem: they won't get elected anyway! 
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That is not what it is about. If you look at Green policies over the years, a lot of stuff we called bonkers 20 years ago is now mainstream. Every vote that is cast matters, even if your chosen candidate loses. This is the point missed by screaming muck fonkeys like Mr R Brand.
As the young vote has diminished so has political will to do anything for them. Pensioners vote in their droves and get looked after pretty well because they understand the maths. If you don't vote, the politicians ignore you as you won't be there to vote them out. Easy as taking a bath; which coincidentally is another trick Mr Brand seems unable to master.
Vote for the Sheep Lovers, vote Tory, Liberal, or even God forbid, Labour, just vote. It is important, the stupid bloody, gravy-train chasing retard Lutonians seeking power are not.
Wherever you are in this world, whenever you have the chance, in the name of good governance USE YOUR VOTE*!
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Indeed.
Vote: If you can't decide who to vote for (or against) go up and spoil your ballot. But go.
If for no other reason than you have no right to complain if you don't - you got the government you deserved.
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I am against spoilt ballots on principal. Here in Woking the Tory will win, they have since 1950 and it's not about to stop any time soon. But they know who votes and which parties are gaining support. A Green vote here, or UKIP if you're dead from the neck up, is a message that they do not ignore.
A wasted ballot means nothing and is treated as such.
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I disagree, spoilt ballots are counted, blank ballots should be counted, it is missing ballots that are ignored.
The number of people who were motivated enough to say none of the above is a valuable number.
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I'd agree.
They have made a positive choice to get off their backsides and say "None of these", not just sat there and moaned about it.
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The politico view is that you're not bothered about who represents you. It doesn't really matter to them if 90% spoil their ballot as long as they get the support of the rest. Then the 10% who do vote get treated better.
As a case in point, until the 1980's there was very little direct campaigning aimed at women. Their husbands told them which party to support and they did as they were told. As the independent female vote grew, so the parties started looking at women's issues. The first to really cotton into this was Labour with their Wimmin's Manifestos of the Kinnock years. Now the vote is canvassed for because the parties know it matters.
The same goes for spoilers, little is being done to appeal to them as their is nothing in it for the parties to encourage votes that may, or may not, go in their favour.
[I admit it, I studied Politics and I am an active participant in political life]
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: and I am an active participant in political life
Does DD know?
He could probably use a spin doctor...
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There has been something of a campaign for a "none of the above" box.
This would send a clear message of how many spoiled ballots are due to a concious decision to not select a candidate on the list, rather than a mistake on the part of the voter.
However it doesn't look like this will be happening any time soon.
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Probably because it would encourage people to use it - and politicians wouldn't want that.
Mind you, it'd be fun to work out what would happen...
Joe Smith (conservative) 177
Mike Hunt (labour) 176
Fred Blogs (liberal democrat) 175
None of the above 23,456 I hearby declare that..um...erm...
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Ah yes, Mike Hunt from Radio Active.
Although I noticed that Hugh Jarce is not present for the Green party.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
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I thought it was Hugh Janus that was standing for the greens?
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There's a suggestion that the 'None of the above box' should be worded 'Re-open nominations'.
If that wins then that is what you do, start again and keep going until someone comes up with a candidate or policy people are prepared to buy into.
Of course the country would then probably bankrupt itself paying for endless elections.
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I'd be fine with that, provided an overall "none of the above" vote banned all the previous candidates from standing again. 
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OriginalGriff wrote: If for no other reason than you have no right to complain if you don't - you got the government you deserved.
That is udder bullshit.
Unelected "technocratic" democracies, or elected, the results appear to be the same. Does it matter who is in the government?
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That's the point: in a democracy it should matter who is in government!
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OriginalGriff wrote: That's the point: in a democracy it should matter who is in government!
The fact that "it should" does not mean it does.
In which case pretending that it does is more harmfull than accepting the reality.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: As the young vote has diminished
Sure I read recently that there has been an upturn in younger people registering this year, hopefully enough of them will actually use their vote now they have registered. Social media campaigns seem to be getting most of the credit for the increase.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Aren't all the world's problems Britain's fault? All the world needs is a political party that finally stops us doing it - whatever it actually is
And free everything for everyone! Yay!
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Kelvin?
That would be about as hot as my interest in supporting those loonies.
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