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Quote: I am grateful for having worked in an industry where I can earn enough to make this decision
Spare a thought for the free society you have in the UK, that permits you the freedom to say what you feel and do what you want! I wonder if half the people in the world have the same freedom?
As far as your employer is concerned: To h*ll with them!
By the way: I am also a fan of Charlie Daniels, as you seem to be(?)
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Cornelius Henning wrote: Spare a thought for the free society you have in the UK
Yes, so true.
Cornelius Henning wrote: By the way: I am also a fan of Charlie Daniels, as you seem to be(?)
I had never heard about him until now - currently listening to "Devil Went Down to Georgia" and I think I could like this music! 
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 18-Feb-16 14:50pm.
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Well, the title of your post is almost a direct quote from his song: "Simple Man". The title "Simple Man" could very well be my epitaph one day!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
modified 18-Feb-16 15:44pm.
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«In art as in science there is no delight without the detail ... Let me repeat that unless these are thoroughly understood and remembered, all “general ideas” (so easily acquired, so profitably resold) must necessarily remain but worn passports allowing their bearers short cuts from one area of ignorance to another.» Vladimir Nabokov, commentary on translation of “Eugene Onegin.”
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Thank you
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Oddly there was a news article I read recently where people stay too long in a job they hate because of the people they work with.
So well done for breaking free.
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Thanks, yes the great people I work with is what has been keeping me here.
I did actually try and resign a year ago but the company introduced me to Mammon...
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Hello, I do not believe this counts as a programming question; my apologies if it does.
I am just starting out as a web developer/programmer. I am trying to focus and learn those technologies that are not only relevant today but will likely remain so. Right now, .NET developers seem to be in big demand. I am reasonably comfortable with PHP. I have started to learn ASP.NET, and so far I love it. However, I am concerned about how useful these skills and knowledge will prove in the future. Do you think ASP.NET has a bright future? Why or why not?
Thanks,
Kelly
modified 19-Nov-20 21:01pm.
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I've been making a killing doing Windows programming for 30 years - WAY before there was an internet. Mobile is still a cute fad.
Think about that for a second.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Agreed. I still find plenty to do writing Winforms applications. That technology (and ASP.NET) ain't going away. Winforms and ASP.Net are very reliable and mature (and well entrenched) technologies. The new stuff augments them for sure but totally replace them? No way.
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I'm always hearing younger, up & coming developers tell people that "Windows programmign is dead" and I always say Nonsense!
There are and always will be untold millions of desktop apps that have no reason to be web or mobile - and that keeps me gainfully employed.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Microsoft AX - an ERP application that brings in Millions for Microsoft is a winforms/wpf(I am not sure which technology it is but it is definitely client based) application.
The reason Microsoft appear to have chosen this is that browser based apps are entirely at the mercy of the browsers - release an update to a browser and your whole Business goes down.
While the desktop .NET framework breaks much less frequently.
[edit] seems like I am "behind the curve"[^]
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 23-Feb-16 5:56am.
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ASP.NET what?
WebForms, MVC?
To me ASP.NET is just another backend technology. Also dive into the client side: HTML 5, CSS3, SASS/LESS, jQuery, bootstrap, angular ... The list goes on and on. 
Cheers!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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With a little focus, you should be able to spend so much time learning the multitude of new technologies that you never become employable
My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...
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Frank Alviani wrote: you should be able to spend so much time learning the multitude of new technologies that you never become employable
Aye, ain't that the truth.
Marc
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The very reason I hate web development.
So I recently quit my web development job and took a job programming Microsoft Dynamics AX - seemed perfect for a Windows guy like me.
And what happens then: Microsoft announces that starting from the next version of AX, they will quit the Windows GUI and only use the web GUI
Thanks so elephanting much! 
Hope that Kevin is right and mobile is just a fad... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Exactly. Jack of all trades but master of none.
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Kelly Marchewa wrote: Do you think ASP.NET has a bright future? Why or why not?
I think it's mostly an irrelevant question. The back-end does what the back-end does, handle requests, interface to the DB, serve pages, etc. I probably spend less than 10% of my time working on the back-end, regardless of what technology I use. The remaining 90% is spent f***ing around with HTML and CSS, the oddities of bootstrap, the incomprehensibility of backbone (or whatever your favorite Javascript MVC poison is), and the bullshit of trying to get a web page to render on a dozen different browsers and their versions, tablets, phones, and so forth.
Marc
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I don't believe that makes it an irrelevant question at all. I think ASP.NET has a great future as a 'backend', i.e. handling requests: session, cookies, authorization, caching etc. Web Forms and MVC are (well, Web Forms maybe[1]) are quite a small part of ASP.NET.
[1] That elephanting ugly viewstate model makes everything so easy, we just reconstitute our controls and render them.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. - Liber AL vel Legis 1:40, Aleister Crowley
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Brady Kelly wrote: I think ASP.NET has a great future as a 'backend'
Certainly, but there's many options out there, many not .NET solutions, and even I prefer my own server implementation rather than using ASP.NET or Razor/MVC.
Pure ASP.NET though, I find horribly klunky actually. Well, at least the projects I've worked on that used it. Maybe the folks who originally wrote the back-end didn't know what they were doing. Strike that, they definitely didn't know what they were doing (I've seen some SQL statements in the friggin' HTML!)
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: I think it's mostly an irrelevant question.
I beg to differ. I do almost no front-end work besides javascript (JQuery, Angular, et al). We have a team that develops HTML and CSS work and UI designs. I just make the interface work. And choosing a good backend to work with matters, a lot.
Complex business logic do not happen on the front-end, it happens on the business layer. Having a good framework that integrates well with a business layer you're comfortable with (like .net) can make all the difference in productivity.
Web API, ASP.Net MVC works ton towards productivity.
It's a great choice to me.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Fabio Franco wrote: We have a team that develops HTML and CSS work and UI designs.
You are SO lucky. The vast majority of projects I've worked on, us devs have had to that work.
Riddikulos![^]
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: You are SO lucky.
I guess I am, if not me web apps would all look like winforms apps. 
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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I had to chuckle when I read Marc's comments. He hit it on the nose. As a web developer you spend most of your time "f**cking around" with the web UI piece. Hours just roll by when working with UI. The back-end is pretty straight-forward.
I do love ASP.NET MVC. It's the way to go and I believe it'll be around for many years. I've tried the "other" framework architectures and languages out there, but ASP.NET MVC is the best.
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