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Forogar wrote: Neither does faith
Exactly true. You cannot have faith and knowledge of the same thing. They don't coexist. So?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I know for a fact that God does not exist.
Probably pretty much in the same way that Christians (or any theist) believes their God(s) do exist.
We can't really prove each other wrong.
I will say this though, IF there is a God and IF he is almighty he is a sadistic bastard for making us kill and fight each other and ruining the world like we do (and often in his name too) 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I know for a fact that God does not exist.
Nope. Facts can be proven. You believe that God does not exist.
Sander Rossel wrote: We can't really prove each other wrong
Sort of. I can give you steps to find out for yourself if God is real. But really, this is a soapbox discussion.
Sander Rossel wrote: he is a sadistic bastard for making us kill and fight each other
You think God makes us kill each other? Why do you think that?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: You think God makes us kill each other? Why do you think that?
Well, I don't think God does anything since he does not exist, but if he does and he is omnipotent then why are we fighting and killing each other (currently in the Middle East, for example)? Surely he knew this would happen, or he made it happen, and he does nothing to stop it.
As Epicurus said:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
RyanDev wrote: Nope. Facts can be proven.
I'm as sure of his non-existence as you are about his existence (which is fine by the way, to each his own) 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Wrong. Do you allow your kids to go outside? Do you even have kids? Your kids can get hurt by going outside. You know that but you still allow them to. Are you malevolent because you don't stop your kids from getting hurt?
Sander Rossel wrote: I'm as sure of his non-existence as you are about his existence
Actually, no. I have had experiences in life which have proven to me that God is real. However, god will not force us to believe in him, which means he is not going to appear to you and try to convince you. It is your choice. Each individual has to make the choice and effort to find out if god is real or not. It's your choice.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Wrong. Do you allow your kids to go outside? Do you even have kids? Your kids can get hurt by going outside. You know that but you still allow them to. Are you malevolent because you don't stop your kids from getting hurt?
That comparison makes no sense. Kids NEED to go outside, be active, enjoy the sun and fresh air, play, just be kids. Keeping them inside would do more harm then letting them play outside and risk injury (most accidents happen in- and around the house anyway). If I could stop them from getting hurt while living their lives, then yes, I would do so. Unfortunately, I can't.
I don't have kids by the way (thank God! I really dislike kids  ).
RyanDev wrote: which have proven to me that God is real
Which you have interpreted as having to be influenced by some higher power rather than coincidence, luck, unexplained (natural) variables... Many people claim to have seen the hand of, or heard the voice of, God.
Nothing is proven, except your willingness to believe in a greater power.
RyanDev wrote: he is not going to appear to you
Jesus appeared in toast, cereals, and many other items though
Which, again, doesn't prove the existence of Jesus, but the fantasy of some people.
Many people, with many different religions, have claimed their God(s) is/are the only true God(s).
I find it all very fascinating, the Romans, the Greek, the Egyptian, the Northern, the Celtic, the Slavonic, the Japanese, the Chinese, and whatever old pantheons have you. And now Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and many variations thereof.
They have been the source of idiocy, war and hatred, as well as love and inspiration.
They all have one thing in common though, their God(s) is/are the one and only (which is funny when you think about it).
Your God is no different, nor is my non-God.
Perhaps we can all agree one day, I really hope so.
Until that day comes... Let's agree to disagree
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It's your choice.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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A criminal could convince himself that the law isn't real. But it is still subject to it.
A little rabbit could convince itself that hawks aren't real but that doesn't mean they will leave it alone.
God's word says the people being tormented would LOVE the chance to come back and warn you, but if you will not believe the scriptures you would not believe if someone came back from the dead. There are people screaming and flOpping around in very real pain in very real fire who would DO ANYTHING the chance that people alive have to REPENT.
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A person could make up a God, a heaven, and hell, but that doesn't make it real.
It didn't work for any other religion besides Christianity (if I am to believe Christians) and there have been plenty!
Such "arguments" go both ways.
Anyway, let's leave this discussion because people are never going to agree on politics and religion (and some other stuff too).
I wish you all the best in this life and the next (if there so happens to be one, as you believe).
As long as you don't hurt others through your actions (or inactions) you're alright to me, no matter what religion you have
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9082365 wrote: It is the very antithesis of morbid for it is an invitation to throw off every concern, every fear, and every uncertainty about death in the knowledge that it is death itself that is dead and buried and stripped of all dominion.
It was also used as an excuse, over almost all of the last couple-thousand years, to torture, murder, rob, loot, rape, and otherwise pillage those who didn't share those belief. (Jews, initially, but then, with the hope and promise of earthly wealth, the crusades showed the true color of it all: the original blood money if every there was any).
Religion of love, they say. Depends a lot upon who one asks.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Bet you're a wow at parties! 
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Well, I'll tell you.
When someone starts to preach how their whole beliefs thing made the world a better place (also fun at parties!) I point out that it is the root cause of most of the planets suffering.
Horrid as they are, when it comes to inflicting inhuman abuse on men, women, and children, ISIS has a long long way to go to catch up with Christendom.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: the root cause
If you tell them that I hope they laugh at you with all the vigour it so richly deserves! 
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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W∴ Balboos wrote: It was also used as an excuse,
Properly stated. 
The religion is of course all about love and service. But moronic boneheads used the religion as an excuse.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Off topic.
What I like is you heartily disagree with me on a thread and can agree with me on another part. I try to maintain that debates and discussions are nothing personnel (at least at CP).
Not so in most places or at most times.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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9082365 wrote: and the fact that Lent's over and you can actually have an egg for brekkie again! Nom, nom!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
And bacon, too!!
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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And once again I'm confused as to why its okay to mock 32% of the populations beliefs but
not the 23% (or the 0.2%)
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It's time to think of Jesus and the Crucifixion. On one hand he was nailed to the cross and on the other hand he was nailed to the cross. And his legs too.
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Too busy thinking about an hour I lost..
If you see one of those 60 minutes please send them back 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Actually, That was Good Friday.
Today we celebrate Jesus resurrection from the grave!
Yippy Skippy!
Happy Resurrection day CP!
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Ron Anders wrote: Today we celebrate Jesus resurrection from the grave!
So if a Mexican came back from the dead, why are they so looked down upon by the Yanks?
Ron Anders wrote: Yippy Skippy!
That show finished back in the sixties.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Actually, he was Middle Eastern, so these days they'd send him to Cuba as terrorist.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Actually, he was supposed to have been born in Nazareth, which today would make him Israeli.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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True enough. I usually refer to the Christian god as "the African god", to avoid confusion with Roman, Greek, Japanese, etc. gods.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Skippy the Bush Kangaroo! Yeah! I always wondered if "Bush Kangaroo" was some kind of euphemism!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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