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You might want to check out your European history a bit there - the UK has a long history of working with various European countries. You might also want to ignore the media here in the UK - it's very biased on this.
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Support for the EU was very high right after WW2 and have since dwindled quite a bit. One of the main ideas was to make the European economies dependent on each other, to reduce the risk of all-out war. Naturally, this had some side effects, mostly that some decisions are not made locally or even nationally. If Britan decided to leave, EU will have quite a bit to say about it, so you can 'vote' then.
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The refugee "crisis" also, once the initial turmoil is over, presents a unique opportunity for European states to throw aside their cultural differences and create a more blended and inclusive culture, ending the root causes of both world wars for future generations.
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I get the impression that what people are afraid of is that people will not be integrated into the country where they live.
I also find the European culture to be a little too broad concept. Clearly, there are large differences in the cultures of for instance Spain, England and the Nordic countries to name a few.
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We have been part of Europe for centuries. We just don't want to be part of, and pay to support, a corrupt dictatorship.
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Don't worry. Whatever happens today, we'll still be ruled from the playing fields of Eton.
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That's fine with me, we get the opportunity to vote them out after 5 years.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: That's fine with me, we get the opportunity to vote them out after 5 years.
I'm not sure that we do. I live in a very safe constituency and as such my vote has no influence whatsoever. According to the Voter Power Index[^] the average UK voter has 6.67 times more influence than I do and the good people of Swansea West have 24.78 times more. Even the good people of Swansea West have no influence over the House of Lords.
My vote for an MEP is, in a very real sense, the closest I ever get to having an electoral voice.
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PeejayAdams wrote: my vote has no influence whatsoever.
I am in the same sort of constituency, but I still believe it's important to vote. I have seen a good few elections in my time where the status quo has been upset because people did use their vote. I don't vote in EU elections because the MEPs have no real power; everything is controlled by the Commission.
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I vote in every election (apart from the one for the police thingy-bob where I really don't have a clue who's standing or exactly what the job is meant to involve). It doesn't alter anything, of course, but at least I usually wind up with that warm feeling that comes from voting against those in charge ...
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PeejayAdams wrote: My vote for an MEP is, in a very real sense, the closest I ever get to having an electoral voice.
Shame then that your MEP has least influence of all being effectively a rubber stamp for the decisions of unelected Commissioners, innit!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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9082365 wrote: Shame then that your MEP has least influence of all being effectively a rubber stamp for the decisions of unelected Commissioners, innit!
Does that not apply the whole world over? The top positions in all countries and federations are occupied by unelected individuals, it's weird how people perceive that to be a uniquely European thing.
More importantly, why won't this accursed spellchecker recognise the word unelected? Is this part of a broader conspiracy?
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If they leave then the EU is going to need another TTIP: Transchannel Trade and Investment Partnership
Kitty at my foot and I waAAAant to touch it...
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For what, we can do everything by our selfs 
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Too right! Nobody messes with a British elf!
Ah! Maybe I should book that eye test?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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So, at this company, I posted an example of some code on Slack:
string amt = (val.to_d() / 100.0m).ToString();
Because the question was, does the raw data need to be divided by 100 (it's a $ value). I poked around in some old code and sure enough, there's the above, and even a comment indicating so.
So, I get this response from the new kid:
Marc, Just saying, but dividing by decimals in javascript is not guaranteed to give us the correct amount, so I'd suggest converting the value into pennies and dealing with those on our end.
WTF? Does that look like Javashyte?
So then I point out it's C# code, and decimal is a high precision type designed for currency. I get this:
oh my bad. not sure about C#. but I know it's not too uncommon to do what I suggested
You're "not sure about C#" ??? I just TOLD YOU, you arrogant little prick.
So I post a link to the MSDN page on decimal along with the precision specs, and I get back:
I was under the impression inaccuracy could theoretically happen in any x86 environment
Yeah, I suppose, theoretically.  Maybe he's referring to that CPU bug years ago, but he's too young for that.
Does anyone else have to deal with arrogant newcomers that think they know everything?
Marc
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No, but I was once the younger guy who had to correct/remove the use of a float that an old-timer hacked into some existing code -- because $1.14 != $1.15. 
modified 22-Jun-16 19:53pm.
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Oh sh*t - I had this argument 2 days ago with a quite competent dev, he is advocating the use of float in financial processes.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I should point out that my anecdote was in the late 90s with ANSI C.
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For eons and eons even back to the steam locomotive and buggies you can bet.
We just keep makin' more too, don't we?
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My take on this:
- doesn't seem like he's the sharpest knife in the drawer (no initiative to do one's research before opening one's cake hole)
- hopefully he learned something
- future off the cuff questions from abovementioned young 'un can probably be ignored
/ravi
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I have no this from my co-workers (we all are old and grumpy), but definitely have from customers IT and 3rd party...a lot...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Here, *I* am the arrogant guy who questions things *that have been done like this for years*. This sometimes lead to the situation you described, because I sometimes question things I have no knowledge about. From my experience, even if it is only useful once out of ten times, it is useful anyway, so I won't give up 
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Rage wrote: Here, *I* am the arrogant guy who questions things
Asking questions does not make you arrogant - questions are required to learn and to absorb wisdom from others (isn't that an aim of sites like CP and SO?). It is only arrogant to tell people who have been doing the job for years that their way is wrong before listening to their reasons. Sometimes, even seemingly silly questions make the 'experts' rethink and re-evaluate; they can learn by reappraising their assumptions. So, please keep on asking questions (and when it is your turn in the future for others to ask you questions, treat them with more respect that you are getting from your 'betters' now).
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