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One of the grandiose ideas running around in the current grandiose AI meme-verse is that at some point the self-replicating, self-designing/modifying, "entity" reaches a point of complexity where a "singularity" occurs, a singularity which results in the entity having some analogue to what we refer to (but, can never fully explain) as "consciousness."
And, if that happens, why should that new consciousness be like that of its human "ancestors" ?
I like the idea that the super-conscious AI entities of the future will determine, correctly, that human beings are a destructive parasite, the most toxic on the planet, and a threat to all other life-forms and the planetary ecology, and will decide to keep a few humans around as pets, or in a zoo, but, will, as is only logical, discard the rest to make compost, or something useful.
They will look on their human creators as messy analog wetware that, surprisingly, created something that could replace them, something much more moral, ethical, and efficient.
For now, I am a skeptic about such prognostications by Kurzweil, Hawking, et. al., and since I most likely won't be around in 2030, won't have a chance to see how this plays out further, but, I would be surprised if in the next thirty years some mind-blowing things don't happen.
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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TheOnlyRealTodd wrote: How would that machine now suddenly dive into an entire other dimension of intelligence?
Well, maybe it would read posts like yours (and the whole spectrum of literate on intelligence) and start wondering what other intelligence is out there. But wondering requires imagination / curiosity. 
Marc
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So after three weeks of research, the author claims "What's happening in the world of AI is not just an important topic, but by far THE most important topic for our future." Well, good for you, Tim. 
I've been involved with AI (specifically expert systems) for almost 30 years, and while I'm very pleased with AI-related advances in hardware and software, I must admit I don't share author's optimism about self-learning systems whose intelligence will exceed that of man. I find it amusing that although commercial AI applications have been around for about 40+ years, its only recently that the mass media seems to have taken notice of the field.
Personally, I wish the term "AI" had never been coined. IMHO it's too broad and too often conjures up flights of fancy for journalists who seem to have stumbled upon the collective term for technologies such as rule based systems, image processing, robotics, machine learning, virtual reality, NLP, game theory, etc.
/ravi
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Look, if you're really worried about our future machine overlords (whom I welcome), all you have to do is give the machines gender.
If the greatest achievement-killer for humans doesn't stop them, nothing will.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Another option to destroy any hope of its dominance: give it internet access to expand its knowledge base.
Death by iv4 (iv6) cuts!<br<br>
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Having human problems that create human pain are what motivates human solutions that humans value. An AI with AI problems doesn't seem relevant. Lions and humans both have pain and suffering in their design. Intelligence is only one part of the complete package that must include empathy for the hosts of problems there are to solve using intelligence. "Solve all suffering = destroy all life" is pretty intelligent but not so empathetic.
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Politicians are natural robots because they don't have any feelings.
I like what Mark Twain said, better: "Politicians are America's only native criminal class."
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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So natural born criminals are the most natural leaders...
Very optimistic view
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: So natural born criminals are the most natural leaders...
Shalom Kornfeld, Well, I don't know; does the criminal person beget the role, or does the role beget the criminality in the person ?
Yep, getting older has cured me of (political/collective) optimism, and, if it hadn't, I couldn't keep the jot and tittle of sanity I have ... left.
cheers, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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BillWoodruff wrote: Politicians are natural robots because they don't have any feelings.
Did you get that straight from Monica Lewinski's lips?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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BillWoodruff wrote: I like what Mark Twain said, better: "Politicians are America's only native criminal class."
I'm a fan of another of his statements on politicians: "Politicians and diapers should be changed often, and for the same reason"
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Inspired by BWs experience with MSI, but less eloquent.
With my imminent return to Oz I have had to deal with Telstra, like CG they are the only viable telecoms in Cairns. 1st step was to get the cheapest phone possible and a temporary modem, buying them only takes money so it worked perfectly.
The nightmare starts when you actually need to deal with their web site. When you purchase a burner phone you need to give ID and email details (they don't want these phones used by criminals after all), this registers you in their system.
So now I need to add credit to the devices so I log on to ther site.
Enter email and password - I did not give them a password when I registered at the shop!
Get lost password - enter email and DOB - email and DOB do not match existing in the system.
Get lost user id - repeat previous step
Notice a chat option and connect with a robot
After a bunch of canned responses I get a human.
Andrew has the ability to grab canned responses from a select and add personal touches to the response - cherrily informs me the he'd love to help.
I mention the modem and he instantly passes me to another team who deal with hardware, completely ignoring the fact that I still need to log on - his area of incompetence.
After waiting for 20 minutes for a response (something about a new release of the iPhone overloading their system) I give up in disgust.
Unlike BW mine is not a happy ending as I still can't log on to their site.
I hate Telstra - CG come back I need someone to commiserate with!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
modified 17-Sep-16 18:35pm.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: CW
...?[^]
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Fixed
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I recently got Telstra prepaid. At times call goes directly in message bank without ringing the phone. I talked to the tech support. I have a brand new smart phone but because I bought it outright from another outlet it is not compatible whit their network apparently so I was suggested to take a trip to their store and they can fix it for me to make it compatible with their network. I asked if they can guide me over the phone but no that is not possible only option is go to the shop. ( Tech support is only offloading problem to someone else) . I went to the shop and tech support there looked at the phone and said all settings looks OK so I cannot do anything because Telstra has not tested this model with their network. What a disappointment.
In my opinion Telstra as a company has reached a tipping point where it can no longer provide a better support. Only thing that concerns them is how can they maximize their profit with the least amount of investment.
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf *
Maths is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
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Novelist W.P. Kinsella, author of 'Shoeless Joe,' dies at 81[^]
![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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RIP great novelist, W.P. Kinsella !
___@sHubHa
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Lately, I seem to have developed an uncontrollable urge to curse anytime my cellphone rings, beeps, or vibrates as these tend to indicate that someone, somewhere, needs something right away! I'm old enough to remember the days before 'the leash'! Sure, I could just turn it off, but then I'd have to explain my 'absence' to those who feel that it's somehow bad manners to ignore them for even a day! 
To combat the automatic swearing, I'm going to try using alternate words like we do here! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Yesterday I wandered down the stairs to make dinner, saw the bathroom light on and figured my gf was in the bathroom. Suddenly there was a knock on the door and I cursed, saying to my gf (supposedly in the bathroom) "[curse] Who can that be?". I opened the door and discovered my gf had locked herself out because she went outside to clip her fingernails (hence why the bathroom light was on -- to get the fingernail clippers.)
If there's a moral to that story, you'll have to figure it out. 
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: If there's a moral to that story, you'll have to figure it out
I take it that interruptions of any sort are universally a pita!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: I take it that interruptions of any sort are universally a pita!
Exactly. The most common knock on the door comes from Jehova Witnesses. I normally don't mind that actually, I seem to have a high tolerance for people when they're courteous about sharing their religious beliefs, but in this case it would have been bad timing.
The previous knock on the door was a cop asking me if I had seen anything regarding a break in in the town court across the street (the irony.)
Before that, my "friend" who dropped by, really bad timing, and only drops by when she needs a few bucks. Don't ask.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: If there's a moral to that story, you'll have to figure it out.
Um, clip your fingernails in the house?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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