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I go far further than that, but I'm not talking about me, and the hoops I jump through to make an OS behave itself; I'm talking about the OS that makes it necessary for me to do so.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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They show a dialog on installation, and one after the Creator's update.
That doesn't sound much like a hoop to me? After all, it's something used by billions of people, how can one expect to have the default settings matching their gusto?
Oh yeah, if MS knew that beforehand they could server you with the settings you want, but they'd need to access your data 
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The Creator Update has only just been released, so billions aren't using it just yet..
Take a look at the updated dialog during install^. You can see everything is switched "off" but the text still says they'll collect my data and push adverts to me.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: At the basic level, you'll be sending Microsoft less data to help fix errors you encounter
It has always been that way, ever since WER was introduced.
Windows Error Reporting - Wikipedia[^]
What did you expect when a memory dump was sent and you've been editing a document at the time everything went down?
IMHO we're talking about something rather hypothetical here.
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Well I'd expect when I select "off" (i.e. I've opted out) that no data is sent at all.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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That depends on what 'basic' means, if they're just sending crash logs I (personally) wouldn't care.
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Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote: That depends on what 'basic' means
Yes, I agree. My main point is that on other OS's I can opt out if I want (I usually don't for crash reports) - Microsoft no longer allows that with this update.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Relevant ads - Off, but says "The number of ads you see won't change but they may be less relevant to you." (I think I might prefer to enable an irrelevant ads feature in this case 
Where do you see ads in Windows? Perhaps I am blind but I don't see any on my win10. Do you have a free version? 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I do not use Office and have notifications 10 times a day about it... and got tired to find how to turn it off...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I had a note about office upgrade show up last week. Clicked "don't remind me" or something and it hasn't shown up again. Is that the "ads" people are upset with?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Could be. I have no idea what people are crapping themselves about anyways.
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I believe there is a setting to turn it on/off.
I don't have the tabletted style, so I'm fine without it.
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There was a setting. It's changed so you can only choose relevant or irrelevant ads 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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My personal approach to this was throwing the tiles out from the start menu altogether.
Either I want a file and use [Windows] + [E] and browse to it.
Or I want to start a program and hit [Windows] and start typing, e.g. 'Visual' and then hit [Enter].
No need for a start menu, apart from the search. For me at least.
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The search box is where I've seen "suggested apps". Previous versions of Windows 10 allowed me to hide them, but I think that option has gone in this latest version.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Previous versions of Windows 10 allowed me to hide them, but I think that option has gone in this latest version.
Could be - Seems like I completely overlooked that until today.
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It's not a deal-breaker for me just yet.. depends how much they use it once they've got more convertees on board
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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I thought they put the ads in the play-school block things,
so few (normal users) would see them.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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No idea.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I normally see them when I hit the Windows key and start typing the name of the app I want to use - there are usually suggested apps. Previously you could turn them off, not but it looks like you can't any more.
I think once the Creator Update is pushed out to everyone, you'll see what I mean.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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I've personally seen this one a few weeks ago, on a machine installed clean from an MSDN ISO. I don't know what you would call if it not an ad.
The "suggested" items that show up in the start menu are ads also. Not to mention the preloaded Candy Crush and Facebook tiles. And the "Get Office 365" nag.
I used to prefer installing Windows from MSDN ISOs rather than sticking with the preloaded OEM versions because of all the trialware you had to manually get rid of - pretty soon they'll be just as bad.
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Note to self: Read the whole thread before answering... we have said pretty much the same.
dandy72 wrote: I used to prefer installing Windows from MSDN ISOs
So do I, but not everyone are confident enough or have the needed "knowledge"
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I have several popups per day trying to convince me on... i.e. how good the Office 365 is
Note that I have not formated yet... OEM Laptop came with some preinstalled software (trial versions) that I have never started or activated but they won't stop saying how cool that feature or how easy is to activate or whatever...
I know... a format and a clean install will take it away, but people without enough confidence to do it has only two options... get pissed off by the damm annoying and often popups or pay and activate with the hope they will let him in peace.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: I have several popups per day trying
I have 3 Win10 machines and that only happened on one of them and I think there was a "do not show again" type of checkbox because they went away pretty quickly.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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