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Having problems with arthritis in my hands. Anyone using any of the ergo keyboards with success? Any experiences recommendations? I see stuff up to $300+ dollars. Wow!
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I image that is a highly personal preference purchase. Not sure where you can go anymore to test them out but I would definitely try before you buy.
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I own 2 of these (1 work and 1 at home) and have been buying them since they were made available (back in 95 I think):
Microsoft Natural ergonomic -- amazon[^]
They allow your wrists to rest in their natural state but you have to be a touch typist to use them.
Natural state of wrist rest is:
* curved fingers
* arms turned slightly in (palms slightly facing each other)
* wrists aligned (not bent) with the rest of the arm (wrists not bent and pinching internally)
* arms supported on desktop --- not forcing shoulders to hold arm weight
You can see these keyboards at local office supply stores.
** Also, once you use this keyboard for a few days and try a regular one again, you will notice that your wrists were actually twisted outwards for typing.
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I also use this keyboard and my wrists have hurt a lot less since starting with it. For what it's worth, I also use a mouse that lets my wrist rest on it's side. Takes a bit getting used to, but helps tremendously with the pain.
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vaderjm wrote: a mouse that lets my wrist rest on it's side
I have two "cursor/pointer" devices. One for each hand.
A mouse for my right hand and a trackball for my left hand so I can vary usage throughout the day.
I really like the trackball best though.
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Why have I never tried a track ball?
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Because you don't think they are better. I've used them for ages - maybe thirty years - and wouldn't go back to a mouse. They never fall off the edge of the mousepad, you can click them without the mouse moving, and they really feel natural once you are used to them. That takes a while - you can get some pain for a couple of days because you aren't used to moving your thumb so much.
I've lost count of how many I've got though, and my current one is about ten or fifteen years old.
Logitech Trackman Wheel: Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories[^] - sadly, you can't get them any more ... it's wireless now: M570 Wireless Trackball - Logitech[^]
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I think I'm ordering one today. This is pure genius. I remember a roommate had one in college 20 years ago and I wasn't sure I could get used to it so I never tried. Really never paid more attention to it till today. But with my hands the way they are, I should have 
Do they make them so I can use my middle and ring finger to move the ball? Clicking seems more natural with my thumb/index finger and rolling with the others. I seem to remember my roommates' being that way.
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Sweet. I will most likely be trying them both. Thanks!
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I use a variant of the marble track ball. Like the other guy said, it's my go-to and I've been buying replacements for years.
vuolsi così colà dove si puote
ciò che si vuole, e più non dimandare
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It is interesting to me that very few people use them. They have a lot of advantages and relieve a lot of stress on your hand. You can set your hand up so it is level and then use very little movement and be more precise with a trackball than a mouse a lot of times.
Here's the one I really like and it's only $22.99
Amazon.com: Logitech Trackman Marble Mouse, Four-Button, Programmable, Dark Gray: Electronics[^]
EDIT
By the way, I bought two of these back in '96 or so and I'm still using the one I've used for work all those years. Amazing. The other one got a sticky button, but it lasted 15 years or something. 
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I second the Microsoft Natural keyboard. Takes a few days getting used to, but I used to suffer from carpal tunnel and using this keyboard, all problems went away, within days.
That said, I've been using the Logitech illuminated Keyboard without any issues for a few years now. I think part of the issue is/was the amount of force required to press a key - this keyboard has a very light touch, very nice.
Marc
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Nah, you want one of these: Datamancer Seafarer[^]
Ok, you won't be able to type on it, but at 12lb of solid brass you won't lose it either!
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They don't ship to Israel 
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Bingo! Thank you, I ordered the model with the hand crank..
I was going with the Ergodox but this one looks better. Glad I had your CC number. 
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Awesome! I want one.
12lbs of solid brass comes in handy for those times where you need a blunt weapon to beat pesky whiners in the face with.
The comments section on that keyboard is hilarious!
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Years ago when I worked in my first own company and the safety guy came to tell the workers the important things to know... he asked me to go to the meeting with all the mechanical guys, the electricians... and I remember exactly what I told him:
What do you think can happen to me? the keyboard could fall onto my feet? even that it wouldn't be an important injury.
It's clear I was not correctly informed. 
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Thank you for sending me down the rabbit hole on that one. The reviews on that are fantastic and I discovered that you can buy uranium ore on Amazon! I have a can ordered and expect to have my super powers by the end of the month.
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You're going to need the right spider as well - I suggest your local Zoo may be able to help with that one.
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Good thinking. I was just going to use one out of my basement, but I think those are mutated already. Mixing a mutation from a mutation might not give me the desired results.
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Finally. A Keyboard that makes my laptop feel lighter 
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I had Carpal tunnel problems and was able to correct it by using the Logitech Wave and the Microsoft Natural keyboards. I found the Microsoft Natural keyboard is more reliable/problem free than the Logitech Wave keyboard. I cannot say if these keyboards will provide relief for arthritis. Given their relatively low price, it might be worthwhile buying one just to try - my recommendation would be the Microsoft Natural keyboard.
Good luck,
Ian
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I had a Wave too, wireless. I don't know why but it would buffer about 15 to 30 keystrokes then spit them all out at once from time to time. It was real irritating. I have since switch over to a good-ole wired natural ergonomic from microsoft.
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