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OriginalGriff20-May-18 6:14
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nightsoul9421-May-18 11:04
nightsoul9421-May-18 11:04 
I have the strong inclination to split some hairs here but I think it needs to be said. In your two scenarios you are talking about two very distinct things, neither of which have anything to do with AGILE. That happens to be the hair I am splitting. There is a highly important second word that the community has a nasty habit of leaving off when referring to "agile" and that it isn't "agile" it is "agile development". Like I said, a bit of hair splitting but important. Regardless of using agile, waterfall, or whatever; you have to have some basics. You have to have requirements (agile ends up using these to come up with the user stories, or a bunch of different names), waterfall uses this as requirements and etc. through other methodologies but they have to exist first.

Where this comes into your two scenarios is in the first, the questions that are being asked are being asked because the requirements are incomplete and unclear, in the second the requirements are not complete but this fact is being ignored. Agile is supposed to make it easier to develop and handle requirement changes but the community seems to accept, at least in my encounters, that agile is actually designed to allow us to not have all the requirements, and the ones we have not be complete, and we develop without them.

In practical experience what this leads to, at least in my experience, is the first method will ensure that the best application possible comes out in the alpha, beta, or whatever, with the minimal amount of time involved in basic things like layout and page views; the second method is going to result in a large amount of time spent in tedious things like altering a page layout a half an inch so one text box lines up with another, and repetitive views and things like this. I just wrapped a project, as an example, where a page had a registration form and nobody laid out the requirements and by the time we got close to the end, the one view, a simple registration form had been re-done seven or eight times with the irony of the me pulling up the original page and the final page and everybody realizing that the original and the final were exactly identical but we had redone it seven or eight times.

The first reminds me of someone understanding a real development process, be it agile or whatever, and the second being cowboy coding with no regard to thinking things out, wasting effort or repeating work.
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