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I don't like cynicism.
Or sarcasm.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Liar!!
On the other hand...
You don't have to like to be good at it 
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Democracy is the theory that the common man knows what he wants, and deserves to get it good and hard. --H.L. Mencken
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No --- such things are not allowed here.
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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It's based in the USA. Why wouldn't it be available there?
You can check its status here[^].
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Would it be considered politics, hence inappropriate for the Lounge, if I quote from the table that in my country, Norway, right now has suffered 182 corona deaths, 34 deaths/1M pop (rank 32 if you sort it on that column), and have made 145,279 tests, 26,798 tests/1M pop (rank 16 if you sort it on that column)?
Or would that simply be quoting (presumed) medical facts?
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That would depend on the purpose of posting that.
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There's nothing political about it; it's just data -- about a disease that does not have a political agenda.
If people decide to use data about people dying unpleasant deaths to frame political or religious messages or propaganda, they're terrible people, but the data is just data, and denying people the right to discuss such horrible events with their peers strikes me as being somewhat inhumane.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: about a disease that does not have a political agenda.
Are you sure about that? The timing is awfully suspicious in favor of Trump getting re-elected. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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QED.
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Member 7989122 wrote: in my country, Norway,
How about adjusting the home country in your profile to match 'your country' ?
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I have answered to that multiple times: CP is capable of handling an unspecified nick, it makes no assumptions. It shouldn't be more difficult to handle an unspecified country. I have neither specified a nick nor a country - CP itself decided to locate me in one specific country.
My reason for not using a name/nick is because I want the reader to focus on what I am saying, not on who is saying it. Not on which country the writer comes from, but what he is saying. If my country has any significance to what I am saying, I mention it.
I am sure that if CP had a country value of "unspecified", you wouldn't be bothered by me stating my country whenever relevant. What causes problems is that CP assumes USA as the country until explicitly changed. The problem is with CP, not with me.
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You sort of get it.
Just - since you've done this before - you clearly identify as Norwegian - and have no problem using it when it suit you. As it is, however, when it doesn't suit you, your identified as USA. Since your ID is just a number, it's not automatically recognized as "you".
so, unless you're embarrassed about it, update your profile. The same can be said for a nick-name.
The lack of either, and the unwillingness to do anything about it when it being "spun" by you into an asset of "don't look at me - look at what I post" excuse just doesn't cut it. I doubt, seriously, if even you ever believed that.
Unless - of course - you are ashamed of being Norwegian.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: your ID is just a number
Nonsense!
CP looked into his heart...
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Do'h ! You Homer'd in on that one right away.
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Interesting. I just looked, and there is an "Other" setting for "Your Country", so you could try that. Maybe I'll try it myself, because the farm where a dairy cow gets milked isn't relevant to this site.
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1,539,153 Deaths caused by smoking this year
770,064 Deaths caused by alcohol this year
1,692,170,966 Overweight people in the world
755,020,768 Obese people in the world
Three very unnecessary products, tobacco, alcohol and fast food, take more lives than COVID-19 ever will.
When will they be banned? When are we shutting down the economy for those?
I know, the US already tried that with alcohol, but that's about a 100 years ago (not that I think it would be successful now).
Basically, what we're saying is that 177,000 deaths from COVID-19 is a real crisis, but 1,539,153 deaths from smoking (that's more than eight times as many) is fine.
The current measures will result in an economic crisis of proportions that we haven't seen before.
The 2008 crisis alone took more lives than COVID-19.
I guess more deaths is a fair price to save fewer lives.
I'm just a bit confused by the math of it all 
Of course all of this is less about numbers than it is about "how we feel".
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I suppose you want to say "last year", as "this year" is not ended yet.
Anyways... I agree with you (ex-smoker here)
Lung cancer treatments are longer / more expensive than COVID treatments, nobody complains (probably because the taxes give a HUGE amount of money that would disappear if people wouldn't smoke)
And I mean worldwide, not a concrete country.
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Nelek wrote: I suppose you want to say "last year", as "this year" is not ended yet.
Actually, the website says "this year" so I assume that's 1.5 million deaths from smoking in a little under four months.
That seems about right, according to Fast Facts | Fact Sheets | Smoking & Tobacco Use | CDC[^] which states 7 million deaths per year.
The #1 preventable cause of death.
Yet we do nothing.
Well, that's not completely true, there are anti-smoking laws.
But it's nothing compared to what we're doing against the far less deadly COVID-19.
Here's a comparable website for alcohol: Alcohol Facts and Statistics | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)[^] (although it's USA specific).
"making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity."
According to the WHO alcohol causes 5 million deaths a year worldwide[^].
Maybe people "choose" to smoke, drink or eat unhealthy so we'll allow it.
I have no data on deaths from passive smokers or casualties from drunk drivers.
So I wonder, if we can fight COVID-19 so vigorously and are apparently willing to sacrifice the economy and many more lives to save statistically few lives, why can't we do the same with tobacco, unhealthy food and alcohol?
I guess COVID-19 floods the intensive care while the others do not and that makes all the difference?
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Sander Rossel wrote: Actually, the website says "this year" so I assume that's 1.5 million deaths from smoking in a little under four months.
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which states 7 million deaths per year.
Ok... then numbers look fine.
Sander Rossel wrote: Maybe people "choose" to smoke, drink or eat unhealthy so we'll allow it.
And I suppose that is the biggest factor, people "want" to do it.
Sander Rossel wrote: So I wonder, if we can fight COVID-19 so vigorously and are apparently willing to sacrifice the economy and many more lives to save statistically few lives, why can't we do the same with tobacco, unhealthy food and alcohol?
You don't get the illness voluntarily and people is more aware of the dead possibility, because it comes much faster. With the other things it is a very slow process. This makes a big difference in how people perceive it.
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Nelek wrote: With the other things it is a very slow process. This makes a big difference in how people perceive it.
This is it.
If people died from cigarettes, fast food or alcohol within a couple of weeks things would be different.
That's the same reason why so many people are opposed to better environment laws, they cost money now while the effects will never become visible (because we wouldn't know how things would be without them).
That, and because people don't actually believe global warming is a thing, but that's another discussion.
Still, staggering numbers 
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You want the Math? OK, paper napkin time...
There are 7.7 billion people in the world.
Covid-19 has a fatality rate of somewhere between 5% and 0.1%.
If 70% of people get it (the percentage estimated for 'herd immunity') then 5.39 people will catch it.
5% of 5.39 is 0.2695 billion or 269.5 million.
0.1% of 5.39 is .00539 or 5.39 million.
I would say the actual fatality rate is likely to be between 1% and 0.5%, so we are talking between 25 and 50 million lives.
That is assuming all of the critical cases get critical care.
If critical cases do not get critical care then the fatality rate among them is 100%, otherwise it is between 10% and 20%.
This means that if the health care system gets overrun you can multiply the death toll by 5-10, giving between 125 and 500 million lives.
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Fueled By Caffeine wrote: Covid-19 has a fatality rate of somewhere between 5% and 0.1%.
Seeing the official statistics I would say the % are higher.
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