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As part of my ongoing drama at the arduino.cc forums, I just told the mods and rest of the arrogant half of the thread that responded to me that they aren't good enough at C++ development, troubleshooting, or arduino to be arrogant about anything, and if they wanted to be jerks, they should get good first, or they just look like low rent clowns who have a chip on their shoulder.
I'm done being nice. These people shouldn't have a forum. That site needs an e----
My pet peeve is not rudeness. It's arrogance mixed with incompetence. I hate hubris.
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Two things. It's OK to be a jerk so long as you're good? And what's wrong with spelling out enema? 
How did they get to be mods? Was it solely based on rep points? Does no one watch the watchers?
They probably need you a lot more than you need them, so they'd be the losers in this.
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Being a jerk isn't okay even if you're good, but when a competent person acts like an arrogrant clown it doesn't get my goat the way it does when an incompetent person does.
I'm not sure how they pick mods there.
And thanks for the vote of confidence. I may try out avrfreaks. I've heard they're arrogant too, but maybe they actually know what they're doing.
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Greg Utas wrote: It's OK to be a jerk so long as you're good?
Definitely not, in my opinion.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
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Quote: that they aren't good enough at C++ development, troubleshooting
That's a bold statement. Are you good enough at C++ to make it?
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Popcorn ... popcorn ... where did I leave the popcorn ...
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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 I may or may not be decent at C++. I do know there are regulars on *this* forum who are much more seasoned at it than I am.
So I don't intend to be arrogant about it. Besides, humility is the foundation of wisdom. It's impossible to learn anything without it.
So maybe I suck at C++ but I won't berate other people because they write code I can't write.
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There's some things in life that are constant; there's always someone thats bigger and meaner than you that can kick your butt, people that know more than you do so why be an arrogant ass?
Always told my kids; if you keep your mouth shut and your mind open you'll learn something every day of your life.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
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Yeah. I was upset when I wrote that because I had been accused of lying about my code running on 8-bit and 32-bit devices both. I don't like being called a liar just because the person doing the accusing doesn't know that something's possible.
I try not to be arrogant about coding. I know there are plenty of better C++ devs who post in the lounge regularly. I've been schooled by some of them.
Humility is a precursor to wisdom, and also the antithesis of anger, so we all can slip in that regard from time to time.
But like, if your forum is just toxic you have a cultural problem with your forum, and whether it's the mods there, or just an unfortunate community it's deeper than any one person's behavior because it creates a feedback loop - toxicity breeds toxicity.
Somehow, CP (excepting soapbox) has largely managed to distance itself from that. Even the QA here isn't so bad as say, SO. It would be nice if there was an Arduino forum here as someone else suggested (sorry, i forget who now)
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honey the codewitch wrote: It would be nice if there was an Arduino forum
agreed.
There are many Arduino based articles here on this site to warrant a designated forum, as such.
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honey the codewitch wrote: It would be nice if there was an Arduino forum here as someone else suggested (sorry, i forget who now)
I don't remember who asked it, but I remember answering to it.
And...
Let's see what happens[^]
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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cool thanks. somebody had to do it. 
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Added to the ToDo 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I think you need to take a chill pill. Turn it down a thousand. 
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Nah, some faces just need to be slapped.
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That worked the first dozen times I dealt with them. I'm not a doormat.
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I think you need to be more humble and less arrogant, yourself. Just saying.
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I think you need to spend a little less time policing what other people write, yourself. Just sayin'
Thought police: Not a fan of them.
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If jerks are the best the site can manage, you're better off without it.
Have you considered starting your own Arduino / embedded coding site? Sounds like there isn't much quality competition ...
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I haven't considered it as it's not really my wheelhouse - managing people that is.
I've been spending most of my time learning Arduino through trial and error just because the forums are so bad. I use them as a last resort, but the best they ever are for me is an (abusive) rubber duck so I tend to avoid them.
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an abusive rubber duck 
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They are big fish in a little pond. Visit the site, participate and get what you can out of it while you contribute. Stay with the tech stuff, ignore the rest. Don't try to prove anything.
If you combat and get driven away, it is lose, lose.
As OG says, break out the popcorn.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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I've tried. I'm just sick of being abused there. It happens pretty much every time, and the place is just toxic, frankly.
I don't need that kind of dynamic in my life, so I'll pass. I could have left silently but then I'd have felt like a doormat, and I'd rather leave on my terms so I can put the place behind me, mentally and emotionally.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I could have left silently but then I'd have felt like a doormat, and I'd rather leave on my terms so I can put the place behind me, mentally and emotionally.
In my opinion... Well done.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Thanks. I just ... got so frustrated when it was strongly insinuated that I was either lying about where my code would run or lying about it being my code.
"If you could write code like that you wouldn't be here asking for help" or some such, after I attached my code to my question post.
I mean am I completely out of line for getting angry over that?
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