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Apparently some people can't even spell forum anymore let alone read a description about its purpose... 
Rhys
"If you ever start taking things too seriously, just remember that we are talking monkeys on an organic spaceship flying through the Universe"
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Well I had to have some kind of horror in their to justify posting to this forum 
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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He was expecting the Intellisense to complete it for him.
Rhys Gravell wrote: Apparently some people can't even spell forum
Psychosis at 10
Film at 11
Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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Quote: Can't people read?
I'm fine, how are you?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Apologies if this subject has already been discussed before.
After stumbling upon last September's Best C# Article NET-CLR-Injection-Modify-IL-Code-during-Run-time and learning about endless security issues with the Java Runtime.
Are these platforms actually safer than conventional compiled executables?
Isn't the whole point of Data Execution Prevention (DEP) meant to stop run-time modification of running code? The CLR/JAVA Runtime engines have the only *native* code that DEP has any direct control of, but they are allowed to run without question, because of some dubious assumption that code for a virtual cpu/machine can do no real damage.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't help thinking that code under direct control of the 'real' cpu is safer than these virtualized runtime environments. 
I'm not fully versed in .NET or Java coding. Anyone care to shed more light on the subject.
modified 9-May-13 20:02pm.
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dusty_dex wrote: The CLR/JAVA Runtime are the only executable code DEP has any direct control of
Nope not true at all. It has full control over native code too. Also, don't forget that these runtimes are written in native code.
Just as a point of interest, some CPU's have a hardware based DEP[^]
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Sorry, my wording could have been clearer. 
[I've made a minor modification to the original post]
I know that the DEP handles *all* native code, but that's what I was getting at. The runtimes are native code but I wanted to know whether the MSIL code/ Java Bytecode is kept in the dcache or icache along with native code.
I thought native code, unless specifically marked as shared would otherwise be read-only and not modifiable at runtime. Which led me to wonder about the location .NET/Java bytecodes and the whole self-modifying code (code injection) problem, with the apparent side-stepping of DEP protection.
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So which forum?
I based my decision on the WORST/BEST PRACTICES which is mentioned at the top.
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I think the life of software developer is a nothing but "The journey between LOGIN & LOGOUT"
What is your opinion??
eNJOY c0ding....
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it's just a job, and it doesn't count as life 
d{^__^}b - it's time to fly
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I agree it doesn't count life but it is not a part of life??
eNJOY c0ding....
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it's a waste of life, mostly coding useless stuff
d{^__^}b - it's time to fly
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I think you had something bad experience about cOding.
eNJOY c0ding....
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i don't see whats so 'enjoyable', it's sunny warm day, and it's wasted sitting in the office...
d{^__^}b - it's time to fly
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Take a break and spend time with friends and family.
it will remove your stress as you mentioned in you trailing message!!!
eNJOY c0ding....
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it would, but too bad i have to be in the office, your solution doesn't work, 8h still to waste and thats it for today 
d{^__^}b - it's time to fly
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Hey...Leave this job if you are not happy with it.
do whatever which gives you happiness otherwise be happy with whatever you are doing.... 
eNJOY c0ding....
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i need the money, can't leave ;/
d{^__^}b - it's time to fly
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Then don't be upset...
eNJOY your work,it's an only single way to keep yourself happy.
BTW you do have so many options to earn money except development & coding 
eNJOY c0ding....
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Its all about creativity.
You can reach destination in several ways but which one is shortest and flexible that is where good developer involved.
Life is all about share and care...
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so when they enter into management (without coding) does that mean they logout??
if that is the case then you have to allow for multiple logins. I did the management route a few years back and after a couple of years I realized I was miserable and wanted to program. 
as if the facebook, twitter and message boards weren't enough - blogged
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Will you please explain why it is wrong forum?
eNJOY c0ding....
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...from the top of the page...
The Weird and The Wonderful forum is a place to post Coding Horrors, Worst Practices, and the occasional flash of brilliance.
We all come across code that simply boggles the mind. Lazy kludges, embarrasing mistakes, horrid workarounds and developers just not quite getting it. And then somedays we come across - or write - the truly sublime.
Post your Best, your worst, and your most interesting. But please - no programming questions . This forum is purely for amusement and discussions on code snippets. All actual programming questions will be removed.
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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