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Have to say I never really understood this whole third-party\commercial product thing. Yeah I get the whole paid-to-promote thing and why those articles are removed, but to pick an app at random (Outlook) I see many articles on Outlook yet that's a commercial product that isn't free. There are loads of articles on iTextSharp and for commercial use that isn't free either. Just seems a bit arbitrary that you can do articles on some commercial products but not others.
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I don't think I'm going to be able to draw a definitive line in the sand for every case scenario, but generally, 1st party products are fine, or what a typical developer in the space would have access to are fine. Then it comes down to more of a judgement call. How many articles has the author posted before? What is the tone of the piece? Is the author attempting to fill a hole that exists in documentation or a known problem? How many times have we seen this particular product or company put up a suspicious article or blog entry or press release such that it seems like a spammy agenda?
Maybe sometimes we get it wrong, but on more than one occasion we've removed a suspicious looking article written by a person who doesn't appear to be associated with a company, then had a marketing rep from that same company contact our sales team and ask, "why did our article get deleted?" Which means we err on the side of caution.
It's also possible there are articles out there we simply haven't caught yet.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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On CP: [^]
On the web: [^]
Note: the first article in this series has no downloadable code; the second article has a link to the author's PDSA site to a download file.
The author says these are blog entriws in the text (on CP), but they appear as articles, here.
imho, both articles do little beyond showing you code examples of the type that are typically found in MS documentation, and there is little value re-posting them on CP as articles.
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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AFAIK the blogs are automatically fed... you r´write them outside cp and cp takes them in.
If the other blog is private then you can't do anything there, but you can here report them as poor quality or as incomplete.
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Hi, Nelek,
I'm just wondering what the value is, for CodeProject, of publishing "re-prints," with links that take you to an external site (of a business) to get code. Is that "site-driving" ?
It appears to me that CP lists these blogs as articles, not blogs; if that's correct, imho, neither one meets what I consider the "standard" for an article.
Maybe I am way off-base, here.
cheers, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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BillWoodruff wrote: It appears to me that CP lists these blogs as articles, not blogs;
We republish Technical blogs, and they are to be held to the same standards as articles.
They aren't announcements or rambling streams of thought.
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Chris Maunder
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This Blog[^] says at the end...
Quote: This is not the full article. The the full article with the complete source code can be found @ http://own_blog_edited
This article was written by Kevin Ng @ http://own_blog_edited
For me this is a blatant site driving... or am I seeing it wrong?
@Sean-ewington what do you say?
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It looks like site-driving to me.
This space for rent
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For me too... but I don't want to report it without having asked first.
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I agree with Pete - it's site-driving spam.
The same message is on almost all of his blog posts: Technical Blogs[^]
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This guy is giving me a headache.
I've already deleted most of his articles for being too similar. I've gone through, removed the links at the bottom of the articles and sent him a warning. If he does it again, descend.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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thanks sean, if I get him another time... should I tell you? or just fire in the hole?
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Fire in the hole. (on new posts, mind you. Feb. 16th and beyond)
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Sean Ewington
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ok
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I have the depth charges primed and ready.
This space for rent
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Blog fed 20 mins ago and another time with the same text... Not sure if it is a new one, or maybe he is editing and rolling back to the previous version
I have made a search with "Kevin AND ng", there were over 30 items, many already deleted, but many others with the link on the middle of the text as a "side note"
I am not sure if he is going to learn the lesson with good manners.
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Looks like it's a new violation. Time to take action.
This space for rent
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Look at the series starting with this article:
Learning MVC - Part 1: Introduction to MVC Architecture and Separation of Concerns[^]
IMHO, none of the single parts makes it into an article (we actually have to open a 'slideshow' category for these)... Maybe combined (and 95% of the images replaced with some work)...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I agree with you.
But I was told by Chris that articles is the default cathegory, if it doesn't fits the "consumable in 30 seconds" then it should be an article.
In this case I haven't checked all the items in the serie, but the first one I would place it more in "poor quality" than in "worng type" kind of report.
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And the first is maybe have the most quality... others are going than and in the middle there are parts that no more than image gallery... And the 'author' shows-off with thousands of reputation points (that probably helped him to gain MVP too) from this poor quality... Very disappointing...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: And the 'author' shows-off with thousands of reputation points (that probably helped him to gain MVP too) Account is a group with almost 500 members. That can give some help with friends.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: from this poor quality... Very disappointing... sadly not the only case.
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This is well below the usual quality for Akhil. I'm surprised.
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Chris Maunder
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Nelek wrote: I hope it doesn't get approved like this.
Famous last words. It has been approved with the messy code blocks intact.
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- Homer
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Blind approvers
Maybe giving no rep points for approvals would help in this?
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