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Ah, I see now what you meant. I misinterpreted where you were going with each term. It's true that our definitions are in the same general ballpark, except your definitions are simplified enough to allow you to state that they are not separate concepts. Leaving out details such as personal vs external and including assumptions such as ethics being moral principles clouds the fact that they are completely separate concepts. My last section touched on that. To restate a different way, ethics do not require or imply morals and morals do not require or imply ethics.
Here's an example: You're a doctor. Your patient is in a vegetative state and has permanently lost higher cognitive functions. You have the ability to keep their body alive for possibly years. You know if you tell the family that fact they will want to keep the body alive. What do you do? Let's say that the family keeping them alive will cost someone else who can make a full recovery their life. What do you do now?
For me, this is a great example of ethics and morals clashing. Ethically, you have a sworn duty to tell the family all available treatments. Morally, I find it repugnant keeping an empty body alive putting strain on the hospital, healthcare system, and taking up an ER bed that could be used for another patient that has a chance at real life. Not to mention it feels disrespectful to the mentally deceased. Ethics are telling me to do one thing while morals another.
In many situations it's true that morals and ethics are nearly synonymous but the devil's in the details. In careers such as police, medical, and military, there are often situations that show just how different and hard-to-combine they can be.
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Jon McKee wrote: To restate a different way, ethics do not require or imply morals and morals do not require or imply ethics.
Seems logical or at least possible. Someone without morals may still choose to follow rules which could be called ethics.
Jon McKee wrote: devil's in the details.
I see, I think, what you mean. You're basically stating that violating an ethical rule may not be immoral given the situation (i.e., the doctor potentially lying to the family of a brain dead patient to save life-giving resources for those who really need it). That sounds like situational ethics or situational morals or at least moral priority ordering. I'm a little more black and white than that. Although, in the given example, I'd be real tempted to lie... tough decision.
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The difference is simple - morals define an individual's own view of what is right and wrong.
Ethics are external - for example medical ethics decide whether an experiment is ethical - and are achieved by consensus.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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But ethics are also informed by morals, be they personal or societal, so they are intertwined.
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You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Is there such a thing as ethical article structure? Because the line breaks between each sentence offend me on a personal level 
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Jon McKee wrote: Because the line breaks between each sentence offend me on a personal level
I couldn't even read it, it so offended my sense of morality. 
Marc
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Coders are into geeky tech, not the fact that it can blow up the world, tell hostile aliens where we live, or (closer to home) provide all sorts of information to AI "expert" systems that determine the cost of your health and property insurance based on your life style, credit rating, income, address, age, gender, and for all I know, ethnicity.
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Perhaps more face-time with their petty-crook program managers, and other felons farther up their company's predator-prey chain ?
«Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it may be necessary from time to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye.» Miss Piggy
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Sounds like this "expert" is feeling a little morally superior and I question the morality of that.
I also fail to see how being modest about your skills has anything to do with being ethical.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go to work and wreck some lives today! 
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Morals and ethics that matter are taught from childhood by parents and later close peers. How you act shows how embedded those values are.
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If you look at coroutines in other language, JavaScript or Python for example, you'll see that the language documents how the coroutines work. In C++ they're quite different. "Come together, right now, over me"
Sorry, that was the first thing that comes into my head whenever I hear 'coroutines'
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But it does cause a disproportionate amount of damage for the size of the threat. So are tigers, and I don't want one of them in my computer either
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For years, our electronic devices have been getting smaller and faster, but the trend can’t continue until we solve one big obstacle: batteries. Yeah, I saw that movie too. Didn't work out too well for the batteries as I recall.
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Uh, no; we are nothing like batteries at all. At best we are very inefficient generators (converters).
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I refuse to take Lithium, and they can leave my anode alone !
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System with $150 worth of hardware offers alternative to 3-D scanners that cost 200 times as much. Well, at least someone is using their Kinect
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Microsoft has long held that the Microsoft Graph — the data it collects as a byproduct of people simply using their online tools — provides a wealth of information that companies can use to understand their workers better. Big Boss is Watching You
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Europe's Parliament called on the Commission, Member States and producers Tuesday to take measures to ensure consumers can enjoy durable, high-quality products that can be repaired and upgraded. On a related note, anyone have a spare Torx screwdriver? And one of those weird five pointed ones. And a spudger. Thanks in advance.
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Seemingly the EU is hell bent on destroying all vestiges of a free market where consumers decide (with their money) which products succeed and which products fail. 
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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..in a free market, my medication would be cheaper; in a free market, one would need freedom of currency - any country with a central bank is not a free market.
And no, you cannot always vote with your wallet. There will not be a second railroad-track that does the exact same route to compete on the price.
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Gee... you're right. Let's allow politicians to design our smartphones and applications. What could possibly go wrong?
Eddy Vluggen wrote: And no, you cannot always vote with your wallet. There will not be a second railroad-track that does the exact same route to compete on the price.
I'll be sure to remember that the next time I'm in the market for a railroad-track.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Gee... you're right. Let's allow politicians to design our smartphones and applications. What could possibly go wrong?
I did not make that claim.
Just pointing out the nonsense that voting with your wallet isn't, even in a truly free market. Enough people under a (software) vendor-lockin that cannot vote anymore.
Mike Mullikin wrote: I'll be sure to remember that the next time I'm in the market for a railroad-track.
You don't have to; if you need a train (as a customer), you will have only one (count them: 1) choice. You go ahead and vote with your wallet on that one +)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I did not make that claim.
Did you read the article? Because it's pretty clear that they're talking about consumer electronics.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: You don't have to; if you need a train (as a customer), you will have only one (count them: 1) choice.
That's not what the EU is asking for. The article specifically stated consumer "tangible goods and software".
Not access to public transportation.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Did you read the article? Because it's pretty clear that they're talking about consumer electronics.
I was not reacting to the article, but your post.
Mike Mullikin wrote: That's not what the EU is asking for. The article specifically stated consumer "tangible goods and software".
Same principles apply.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I was not reacting to the article, but your post.
But my post was specifically about the article - not every aspect of consumerism and the economy.
I understand that the government has a place in some aspects of certain product regulations. Food & medicine quality, transportation safety, etc... I just think it's ridiculous when they stick their bloated bureaucratic hands into consumer electronics and consumer software design. Sheesh!
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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