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NASA Confirms Evidence That Liquid Water Flows on Today’s Mars [^]
Fantastic stuff. 
Quote: Nasa 'will send humans to Mars in the near future'
Nasa's John Grunsfeld says:
Quote These observations are giving us a much better view that Mars has resources that are useful to future travellers... I think we will send humans in the near future to Mars... to be able to live on the surface, the resources are there.
He says you could even make rocket fuel from some of the substances found on Mars, but the discovery of water is critical
Me, me, me!!! I'll go!!!
modified 28-Sep-15 12:56pm.
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"provide the strongest evidence"
How did they confirm the idea?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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They found something that makes them think there is water there but no actual view of the water itself. For all they know it's actually chocolate milk.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
I wonder why this doesn't interest you? (take it to the usual place!  )
RyanDev wrote: They found something that makes them think there is water there but no actual view of the water itself.
The article makes it quite clear. the science appears sound, so what's the problem? They've seen and confirmed a particular phenomenon and are able to infer the presence of water as a reasonable explanation for said phenomonen. Why would that not excite you? Ohhhh.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: I wonder why this doesn't interest you?
They are claiming there is water without actually seeing or finding water. I can understand how that excites you but it does not me.
The knowledge we have is miniscule compared to the available knowledge and yet we continue to box everything we learn into the tiny bit that we feel comfortable believing that we know.
There are a million different possible explanations for what they found. Water is the most obvious and therefore, the least interesting of them all.
You can't tell me that you wouldn't be more excited to see chocolate milk falls rather than waterfalls. 
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RyanDev wrote: They are claiming there is water without actually seeing or finding water.
They don't need to see the water: they deduce its presence from other observations. Not sure why you don't get that. [sarcasm]
RyanDev wrote: There are a million different possible explanations for what they found.
and those would be?
RyanDev wrote: You can't tell me that you wouldn't be more excited to see chocolate milk falls rather than waterfalls.
That would be something out of a Douglas Adams novel, not reality!
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: and those would be?
Chocolate milk for starters. Why doesn't that excite you?
R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: not reality!
You're proving my point. There is no scientific reason that it could not be chocolate milk falls. You are boxing in the possibilities based on the tiny bit of knowledge that you have. Sorry, not exciting for me.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: and the other 999,999?
Yes.
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Look, I've told you a gazillion times not to exaggerate and there you go, doing for the 4125364758th time.
Seriously, if your best objection is it could or should be chocolate milk then you clearly either don't or won't understand or enjoy the discovery and what it might mean.
Unless, of course, there is some religious objection to finding water and the possible consequence of that... dun-dun-dah...
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: if your best objection is it could or should be chocolate milk then you clearly either don't
If you thought that was my objection then you clearly did not understand my point.
R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: religious objection to finding water
 When you already know that there are countless planets like ours that have people living on them, finding water on one planet is not that engaging.
However, I took my kids to the fair Saturday and my 6 year old just loved the simplest rides. Smiled from ear to ear. We get excited based on our experiences. It would be great to be excited by simple things again, I admit.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: If you thought that was my objection then you clearly did not understand my point.
a) you went on about and said it was one of a million possibilities. What, like sherbet dip?
b) I got your point. It was a poor one made poorer by chocolate milk. At least it should have been malted.
RyanDev wrote: When you already know that there are countless planets like ours that have people living on them, finding water on one planet is not that engaging.
Do you have some evidence of that?
RyanDev wrote: I took my kids to the fair Saturday and my 6 year old just loved the simplest rides.
Simple is as simple does.
RyanDev wrote: It would be great to be excited by simple things again, I admit.
Then stop being so dogmatic. Put aside your irrationality and come back to the light side, where science is real whether you believe it or not.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: I got your point.
R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: Put aside your irrationality and come back to the light side, where science is real whether you believe it or not.
Now you're proving that you did not understand my point. I think it's a bit beyond your grasp.
TTYL. 
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RyanDev wrote: I think it's a bit beyond your grasp.
That is, of course, a possibility. In this case, though, it isn't. You just prove how little you understand of science and have yet to answer any of the questions I posed, instead choosing to do a madge. Weak, very weak.
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"Thank you, NASA"
~ Matt Damon et al.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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We haven't day one since Thursday, and todays is a cracker!
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html[^]
I just didn't want you to miss it. The only downside is I can't find a high res version for use as a desktop - 1200x800 is the highest I can find. 
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No problem: I would not have posted this as I usually only post deep space images unless it is something very special. The moon is not special.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: The moon is not special
But..but..the blood moon is the harbinger of the Apocralypse! Murican Sky Pixie Fanciers said so!
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OriginalGriff wrote: But..but..the blood moon is the harbinger of the Apocralypse! Murican Sky Pixie Fanciers said so!
Haha.
Asimov postulated that life exists on this planet specifically because of the presence of the moon[^] so, I suppose, in that respect, it could be considered a tad important but it is just a ball of rock that makes up the binary system upon which we find ourselves trapped.
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I've seen other speculations that the presence of the moon is directly responsible for life evolving in the direction it did: for starters it slowed the early Earth's rotation from a 12 hour day to it's current value. With that short a day, temperatures would be wildly different, plants would be very different, and the weather would be a lot less regular and (semi)predictable. That we would have evolved to appreciate it is very unlikely!
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The moon actually protects us from numerous large objects that might've otherwise hit Earth.
The moon is a great shield.
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newton.saber wrote: The moon is a great shield.
It needs to be bigger...[^]
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I don't know - it sure looks like a UFO to me. 
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