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And sure enough, it is. I'm kicking elephant right now.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I realized years ago that all they taught me in Engineering school was wrong; those electrons and holes are a mere distraction, and do nothing for the devices that manipulate them. The real working fluid for electronic devices is smoke, and when you let it out of the package, the device stops working.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Hahaha i emailed my client, and told him I let the magic smoke out. =)
I learned that expression from my father in law, a master electrician.
Real programmers use butterflies
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So, my current laptop is 3.5 years old, and although I am confident in it, I received a "computer porn" email from my supplier. By that phrase I mean, "omg, the new version is gorgeous!
Choice of processors (high end intel or amd), I'll certainly beef up the storage and RAM on my own, spec'd with an NVidia 3080... drool. Okay so this would be for a mainly development laptop. I normally stick with the 15.6" displays. They fit in my laptop backpack and seem to be in the sweet spot. But this new puppy comes with a 17.3" display at 2560x1440 with an nvidia 3080 GPU.
So, for those of you who develop on laptops - insights and opinions into 15.6 vs. 17.3?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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My laptop is employer-provided and I have a 24" attached to it.
(And three 24s at the office.)
modified 5-Feb-21 15:45pm.
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My "lappie" is a Surface Go 2 - so a 10.5" screen, and an Artech Bluetooth KB that attached via magnets.
VS2019 does run on it, as does SSMS and Office - but it's not really a "development machine" more a "quick tester", data monitoring, and surfing machine.
Recently found it works fine for Teams as well, even via WiFi to 4G via my phone.
But ... it's very, very portable and the battery is OK. Much easier to lug around than a 17" "full lappie"!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Microsoft are 'replacing' my Surface Pro 3 .. the batteries heated up and expanded and pushed the bottom cover off the keyboard (no screws, just glued) - apparently it's a 'known issue' (that they failed to notify me about before the extended warrantee/fix period expired)
It's a good machine in a lot of respects - so right now whether it's a 'safety' issue or not, it runs VS2019, WSL etc, and I need it for some contracting
.. not sure if I'd make the same decision again though, similarly, finding a Dell or Lenovo I'd like is hard
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Mine had a charger circuit failure: the charger light came on, but the unit just refused to take electricity - tried with two different chargers (Herself had a Pro 3 as well) but same result. Unfortunately, when I noticed it was already below 5% and now it's a brick.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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My personal laptop is 15.6, the one my employer provided is 17.3 At the end of the day, I'm comfortable with both, my major complaint is that I actually care less about horizontal width than I do about vertical height. I wish they didn't make them so damn short. I like to see lots of lines of code, lots of lines of documentation, etc. Yeah, there's the "turn it on edge" option, but if the lappy is the only device I'm using, that's rather impracticable. Wish they didn't all have to conform with "watching movies" standards.
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David O'Neil wrote: Then you will be happy to hear this:
Yes!
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exactly!
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I became a believer in multiple displays a long time ago. I mainly work at two locations (home and the customer's lab) so I duplicate equipment as much as I can. My external monitor is A 2560X1440 dELL 25" something or other. I love it; hence, my question.
Most of the time, I see 17" displays and they are at the same resolution as my 15.6, and I think, meh. But a 17 at 2560? We could go...
I'm going to wander down to best buy and see if they have anything on display..
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Mine is 14". Anyway, I use far more often my desktop.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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17" is not a laptop, it's a foldable desktop.
Better get a docking station and a pair of proper monitors instead.
14" is light enough to always bring around, and large enough to read.
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truth, good perspective
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: 17" is not a laptop, it's a foldable desktop. Depends on the purpose...
I would not buy a 17'' for work or the taking with me everyday,
but I do have a 17'' as multimedia center in the living room that comes with us, when we go on vacation. I get the laptop and my JBL3 and with that we can still have our films with us and enjoy them with a screen that is comfortable for the eyes even being a bit away.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Well, I assumed work.
For vacation the kids have their own tablets, and I get, vacation.
I always bring an access point though.
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I've been looking at Dell or Lenovo's 'portable workstations' - I suspect similar to 'foldable desktop'
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Portable workstation sounds better though
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I've owned a Precision in the past. Very well built machines.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: So, my current laptop is 3.5 years old Mine it >8 years, and still "current". It runs VS, HOTS and WarCraft. On Wifi.
charlieg wrote: So, for those of you who develop on laptops One doesn't develop on a laptop.
Get a desktop. Laptops are expensive for the power they pack in a limited space. Desktops are cheap.
Get a cheap second hand-laptop to remote-desktop into your desktop.
Not joking. A desktop gives you more bang for yer buck. Doesn't require a monitor either, just remote desktop. Get a decent system, not a glorified tab.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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"One doesn't develop on a laptop."
Going to have to disagree here. If your screen is 13 or 14" I might agree, but as Marc mentioned above, clear screens, readable code is everything. Besides, I've been using a laptop with high resolution displays for 15+ years successfully.
Please expand on your comment, I'm genuinely interested.
That said, times are changing. I've been trying for a couple of years (just been too busy) to migrate to all virtual machines. So the comment about "desktops" which really should not be called that since mine is sitting next to my desk - ha! Next-tops! is a valid point. I will not argue that you get far more bang for the buck. In fact, that is such an excellent point I might just build another machine for the lab.
One note about the remote desktop approach - this *all* depends on the quality of your network and the security protocols of a particular customer. I have one customer that will only use the POS TeamViewer. Another customer uses a VPN but their network support is less than stellar. YMMV
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: Going to have to disagree here. If your screen is 13 or 14" I might agree, but as Marc mentioned above, clear screens, readable code is everything. Besides, I've been using a laptop with high resolution displays for 15+ years successfully.
Please expand on your comment, I'm genuinely interested. Laptops usually have a lower processing power than their equivalent desktops. And have gotten very used to having at least two screens (17"). Looking for a way to hook up a third, so I needn't remote desktop into the server anymore. So two PC's on my desk, two keyboards. And a lone 15" monitor that would make you laugh probably
charlieg wrote: That said, times are changing. True. Also haven't been in a computer-store for quite a while, and may need to save some money before I dare enter again - because all those new goodies..
charlieg wrote: One note about the remote desktop approach - this *all* depends on the quality of your network and the security protocols of a particular customer. Currently only using it on the home-network, and the machines are hooked to the same router.
..a very old router; maybe time I upgrade that.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Size doesn't matter.
(I can't believe I missed that opportunity, and apparently so did everyone else!)
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