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raddevus wrote: That's why The World must agree upon one standard immediately and outlaw all other types. Step One:
"Reeducate those good-for-nothing lefties" who'd want to screw around with the direction in which we turn the screws.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: who'd want to screw around with the direction in which we turn the screws.
Can you imagine...
Ridiculous! Lefty tighty, righty loosey
It's righty tighty for a reason!
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Righty Tighty - Lefty Lucy ?
I always thought that was referring which direction in bed to face when deciding on which new girlfriend you'll . . .
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You have way to much time on your hands.
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These things must be considered!
And, I'd have more if The World would standardize on one screw type.
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A plain-old bread-knife can replace a flathead or slotted screwdriver in a pinch, therefore making as the standard, in my opinion.
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Robert/Not The Pirate wrote: plain-old bread-knife can replace a flathead or slotted screwdriver in a pinch,
That does seem to be the best argument for it. Also people are saying it is far easier to fix a slotted head on a stripped screw.
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A better question is, why hasn't everyone adopted Robertson.
Superior to both; invented in Canada; apparently "banned" in the US; something to do with "not invented in the US" I think.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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My uncle (RIP), who was a strong union man, told me that the Robertson screw and screwdriver were banished by the unions because they were "an effective labour saving device".
I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
- Harvey
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Thanks for that ... helps explain my continued struggle with the "irrational" (and products shipped with Phillips).
(And I "should" retire; but I'm not rational either).
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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I never heard that but what I did read is that Ford wanted to use them in their cars and have full rights to the design but Robertson refused to give it up.
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Notice that all the screws in a mechanical wristwatch are slotted. There is a reason for this.
The original Phillips driver was designed for building aluminum aircraft. It was designed to cam out before the material being screwed into was damaged. Later cross-drive screws, e.g., frearson, were mostly not designed to cam out.
As others have said, with cross-drive screw heads the bit is self-centering. It isn't with slotted screw heads, but the slot is easily restored. If you ruin a cross drive head you need a screw extractor.
All the above are much inferior to Torx.
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Fantastic explanation. Now the common camming problem actually makes sense. That's why it happens so much-- because it's engineered to happen. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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Except for true Robertson, of course.
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My main thought is that for every other type of screw, you need EXACTLY the correct size of screwdriver. So, for a general life, you need 6-8 sizes of Phillips, 8-10 of Torx, 4-6 of Robertson, but you can by with about three flat blade screwdrivers (small, medium, large). Specifically, in electronics, NO, I can think of no reason for a standard screw.
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Sizing issue is another great point. Thanks
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We use slotted screws on some products because it is easier to remove contamination & debris in the field.
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I find Robertson (square head) screws work best. You can put them on the driver and they stay there. Wonderful for drywalling. They are common in Canada, but do not seem to be used much in the USA. (Correct me if I am wrong).
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In part, the Robertson screw didn't catch on in the US because after lengthy negotiations Henry Ford refused to license it for his cars.
Re sizes of slotted screws: A pro is that slotted screw heads can be turned with almost anything, such as coins, knife blades, putty knives, tin can lids, and so on. The corresponding con is that non-commercial users rarely have a screw bit that actually fits the screw they are trying to turn.
Moreover, the sides of the blade are often tapered, rather than parallel planes, with the thought that the bit can be wedged into a range of slot widths. But as a consequence of the wedge shape, the bit tends to cam out.
Pro screwdrivers are sold that have exactly the right tip width for, say, the standard slot on #6 wood screws, and have parallel sides. A pleasure to use.
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Thank you for your comment. The Model T was built a century ago, and one would think it of no relevance to the screws we use today. But such might actually be the case.
I still prefer the Robertson because once you place the screw on the bit of a power tool, it becomes a one-handed operation. This frees up the other hand to hold things in place.
If you can tell me how to do that with a Phillips or a slotted screw driver, I am very much interested.
Phillips Screwdriver Versus Robertson Screwdriver[^]
modified 5-Mar-18 10:01am.
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Quote: If you can tell me how to do that with a Phillips or a slotted screw driver, I am very much interested
Of course you can't. No doubt Robertson screws are great. However, all modern designs share the same doesn't-fall-off property, even the old Allen, with the added advantage that instead of four possible insertion angles, you get six, eight, or even twelve.
If there hadn't been further advances in screw drive since P.L. Robertson, his design would be in common use everywhere. But even recently, Torx II is a big improvement over Torx.
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Perhaps it is time for me to experiment with some of the newer designs. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Here in the Rockies-US, square are available. I preferred the star head screws, work ever better than the square. Available in Home Depot and Lowe's.
Of all big box home supply stores, I preferred Menards. Sadly, no Menards available here. Next is Home Depot, then Lowe's.
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I will have to give the star head screws a try. I guess I don't have to stick with square. Thanks for the feedback.
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