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Slacker00714-Dec-12 8:51

Slacker007

14-Dec-12 8:51

Colin Mullikin14-Dec-12 8:35

14-Dec-12 8:35

RugbyLeague wrote:
it will minimise the number of nutters flipping and going bullet happy in public places.

And increase the number of nutters flipping and going knife happy in public places... D'Oh! | :doh:

The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill

America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde

Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

RugbyLeague14-Dec-12 8:45

14-Dec-12 8:45

You have evidence that will happen?

Colin Mullikin14-Dec-12 9:03

14-Dec-12 9:03

Apparently you haven't read the posts or looked at the links that people have provided that talk about this exact thing happening in China...

RugbyLeague14-Dec-12 9:15

14-Dec-12 9:15

I have read them - I don't see how it validates easy access to guns in the USA.

#realJSOP14-Dec-12 10:07

14-Dec-12 10:07

Facts aren't important to the anti-gun crowd.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

Yayozama14-Dec-12 11:11

14-Dec-12 11:11

Neither to the pro-gun crowd... except for their "freedom" to have one.
I think that, right now, it's pretty easy to have someone to attack you with a gun or a knife (well, not THAT easy, but we are in context right here)... why don't regulate at least the most dangerous of them?

But, hey, I'm from México... so I only care about this because I'm a father and the story is freakin painful... so, have the laws that you want/deserve.

#realJSOP14-Dec-12 14:46

14-Dec-12 14:46

Yayozama wrote:
why don't regulate at least the most dangerous of them?

They already are. They're called NFA Title 2 weapons. Look it up.

Yayozama15-Dec-12 13:23

15-Dec-12 13:23

No, I won't look it up, because that's no the point (for me and my point, at least).

I didn't wanted to bring the China story (because it has been used again and again in one day), but sadly it's EXACTLY my point.

You think that I want a revolver gun instead of a "NFA title 2" gun against me?

with all due respect (because, believe me, I'm not trying to troll you or someone else here), you keep saying that if someone grab a bat or a knife and kill someone (or more people) we should ban the bats or the knifes (at least ironically)... but it's not the same case.
A bat is not a weapon... a knife is not a weapon.
You use a bat to play baseball, you use a knife in the kitchen, you use a chair to sit down, you use a car to drive, etc etc etc...
You can use all of these things to hurt/kill someone? Yes, of course... you can use almost any thing to do that.

What else can you do with a gun?
A gun is made to hurt someone... there's no other use to that thing. Don't you think that the context is completly different?

Colin Mullikin17-Dec-12 2:55

17-Dec-12 2:55

Yayozama wrote:
What else can you do with a gun? A gun is made to hurt someone... there's no other use to that thing. Don't you think that the context is completly different?

Hunting and self-defense.

Yayozama17-Dec-12 4:31

17-Dec-12 4:31

So... hurt/kill someone or something.

What I'm mean is that the ultimate goal of a weapon is to hurt or kill someone, there's no other use to them.
I don't see anything wrong with hunting (I mean, I have never hunted something, but I understand that a lot of people like it).

Would you use it to self-defense against another gun?

Colin Mullikin17-Dec-12 5:29

17-Dec-12 5:29

Yayozama wrote:
Would you use it to self-defense against another gun?

Yes, but I would also use it for other situations. If I were attacked by multiple people with knives and I had a gun, I can guarantee to you I wouldn't be stabbed...

Also, in the zombie apocalypse, would you rather have a knife and a baseball bat, or a shotgun and a rifle? Poke tongue | ;-P

Yayozama17-Dec-12 5:49

17-Dec-12 5:49

Colin Mullikin wrote:
Yes, but I would also use it for other situations. If I were attacked by multiple people with knives and I had a gun, I can guarantee to you I wouldn't be stabbed...

Fair point, and in fact I'm not thinking in a complete ban of guns... I just think that's extremely easy to get one (probably easier than a car or a house). As I said before, for better or for worse, those are your laws.
Usually I don't get in yours back and forth chats about weapons/politics/etc, because they don't concern me.

But, as a parent, this was a really sad story, and a shock that a young man grabbed the weapons of his mother and then went to shoot her, and 25+ other human beings (with 20 or more children).
Seriously, I can't even describe you how sick and sad that makes me fell only for remember.

Colin Mullikin wrote:
Also, in the zombie apocalypse, would you rather have a knife and a baseball bat, or a shotgun and a rifle?

Actually, according to the Left 4 Dead series... a loud gun will only bring more zombies against me Poke tongue | ;-P

#realJSOP14-Dec-12 9:13

14-Dec-12 9:13

RugbyLeague wrote:
If you make access to guns extremely difficult it will be very difficult for somebody who just flips to get hold of one and use one.

You won't entirely prevent pre-meditated, planned, murder spress but it will minimise the number of nutters flipping and going bullet happy in public places.

The number of "nutters" is significantly lower than premeditating murderers. Of course, premeditating killers don't generally go off on everyone around them either. They have a specific person in mind, and they kill that person. It stops there. In very rare cases, the murderer then turns the weapon on spectators (like in this case - the guy came to the school to kill his mother, and most of the kids killed were in her classroom).

Your arguments are extremely weak.

RugbyLeague14-Dec-12 9:16

14-Dec-12 9:16

So you are advocating proper target training?

#realJSOP14-Dec-12 9:38

14-Dec-12 9:38

I'm advocating remote decentralized teaching/learning.

RugbyLeague14-Dec-12 12:32

14-Dec-12 12:32

Yeah, best keep the kids away from school so people can have their guns

#realJSOP14-Dec-12 14:49

14-Dec-12 14:49

A well regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

RugbyLeague14-Dec-12 21:17

14-Dec-12 21:17

Presumably this guy was part of a well regulated militia

#realJSOP15-Dec-12 9:45

15-Dec-12 9:45

When you run out of viable arguments, you start to make smart-ass remarks.

RugbyLeague15-Dec-12 14:05

15-Dec-12 14:05

It was a perfectly valid comment. This guy wasn't part of a well regulated militia - he tooks his mother's guns and went on a murdering spree. He had easy access to guns designed for killing people - and he used them for that purpose. If you think america is better for being awash with guns designed to kill people then I am happy for you. It's not the sort of society I would wish to live in and I am appalled that more children are dead because somebody had easy access to murderous guns.

Jens Theisen14-Dec-12 9:07

Jens Theisen

14-Dec-12 9:07

That's true for the UK. But Mexico also has very restrictive gun laws and getting a gun there is said to be not difficult at all.

It's easy to sit in a country where most people abide by the law and talk about banning guns for those who have to live among a high number of criminals.

Yayozama14-Dec-12 11:15

14-Dec-12 11:15

jth42 wrote:
But Mexico also has very restrictive gun laws and getting a gun there is said to be not difficult at all.

Sorry, but that's not true...
Besides, the ammo is pretty dificult to get too...

jschell14-Dec-12 13:24

jschell

14-Dec-12 13:24

Yayozama wrote:
Sorry, but that's not true...

Besides, the ammo is pretty dificult to get too

So what are they killing all of those people with?

Yayozama14-Dec-12 13:33