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Working with another developer, I often give him trouble about using his mouse instead of shortcut keys. I was helping him and teased again about it. So he asked in a snarky way, "What is the shortcut to clear the data", sure that I didn't know the answer. So I said Alt + F4 without pausing.
He didn't find it funny.
Hogan
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The worst is watching another dev highlight text with a mouse then go over to the menu, again with the mouse, and select Edit -> Copy. 
These people should be forced to use Linux for a month. 
Marc
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Hmm. My app's source code has a fair number of tables initialized with constant data. Constructing those tables by simple typing would take away my will to live. A lot of them were created using combinations of the following:
- Double-click to select a word, hold down the Ctrl key, drag to a destination
- Click and drag snippets out of the Visual Studio toolbox
- Click and select, followed by one or more VS editting macros (the f***ers who pulled it from VS2015 are morons)
It's whatever is the best tool for the job. I use ctrl-C, ctrl-X, and ctrl-V as well as ctrl-Insert, shift-Delete, and shift-Insert. Sometimes I'll use the keyboard to move the cursor, sometimes the mouse, whichever is faster.
I've known a number of keyboard jockeys who disdained using the mouse for anything. I've also known people who follow the pattern you describe: select with the mouse, Edit, Copy, and rarely use any of the keyboard shortcuts. Both of them are less efficient than they could be.
I take advantage of anything the IDE provides. One of the best things about Visual Studio and C# is Intellisense. It's positively scary sometimes how good it is at guessing what you need.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Careful. They'll be too good in keyboard and they might hate you when they see you while scrolling the mouse.
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They see you scrollin', they hatin'
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Marc Clifton wrote: forced to use Linux
Nah that's far too easy, emacs is much more fun.
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do you do all of your coding on a piece of paper, too?
If you teased me, I would tell you to fark off. Just saying... 
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snorkie wrote: I often give him trouble about using his mouse instead of shortcut keys
Your kind should jump off a building
I had a coworker who did that.
Personally I can't be bothered with remembering all those shortcut keys that are different on someone else's computer anyway.
So anyway, this guy keeps nagging about shortcuts, it would give me hours of productivity.
And then he spent literally ten minutes looking up some obscure shortcut key for a functionality I've never used since...
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My mouse claims his right to reply[^], you musinist!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Well? Did the data not get cleared?
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ctrl+ x/c/v at the least should be standard use.
The impatient of seeing someone using either toolbar or context-menu is unbarable
at some point, some people i just tell them ctrl+c instead of copy in the hope they use that.
same with SQL * - i just say 'all' not 'star' - it more meaningful as to what is wanted instead of the specifce characters I want someone to type.
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Right! I've seen this guy use the file menu to select Edit > Copy. On his own time, I don't care what he does, but when I'm helping answer a question, value my time as well.
Hogan
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Just switched from Visual Studio (C#) to Intellij (Java). Shortcuts are only slightly different which makes things worse!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Heh, nobody at work likes to use my machine because of the way I've remapped the shortcuts. I started my computer career back in the 70's. The word processor of choice back then (on CP/M atleast) was WordStar. The shortcuts for cursor movement, copying and such are pretty much ingrained in my brain. So to continue using them I remap the cap locks as the control key, the control key as the alt key and the alt key as the cap locks (use ZiffDavis utility called TradeKeys). I then have an AutoHotKey script that basically lets me use the Wordstar shortcuts in jEdit, Visual Studio, Word, Codecomposer Studio, Eclipse, etc. Basically, any place I'm going to be editing text.
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That is awesome! I didn't start my career till 2000, but I still feel old school compared to many of my peers.
Hogan
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snorkie wrote: Working with another developer,
Having worked with many other developers I have discovered that their productivity or lack thereof has nothing at all to do with how they interact with their environment and/or tools.
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The most efficient methods would be important if you're just keying thousands of lines of code, but the average programmer writes 50 lines of code per day. It sounds like what you're really saying is, "how dare people be different from me".
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There is a difference between knowing every shortcut for every program, and knowing the basics. In this case Cut/Copy/Paste would be nice. Plus, we're in IT. Its our job to know how to use computers. Learning shortcuts for the programs you use every day demonstrates a passion for your work.
Hogan
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So, I clear some form data just before populating it with updated values (from a new search). What happens? The form shows the new data, then clears! I have to put a freaking timeout in the javascript because it appears that jqWidgets is updating its controls on a separate thread. The plain vanilla HTML controls clear/update just fine. 
That and the fact that it really isn't very mobile device friendly. I get all sorts of weird behaviors on different mobile device browsers.
There's something to be said for plain-ol' HTML with jQuery and not much else.
Lesson learned.
Marc
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Beginning to?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I've also had to reprogram a couple of their controls. But I decided this is far better than designing my own controls. The odd thing is one of the reasons I had to do the re-programming on one control is because it didn't work properly in their own container controls!
But I give them credit, because they do have the best documentation I have ever seen.
Brent
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dbrenth wrote: because they do have the best documentation I have ever seen.
That is true. And I get replies on their forums within 24 hours.
Marc
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Are your exam results under water if they are below C level?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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That joke was A Below C Diver Epic Fail of a grade in an attempt to pass in this class, testing the resolve of expected assignments of posts herein.
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Nah, they are just written in assembler.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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