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But the taste (as I remember it from about 60 years ago) is very different.
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never ceases to amaze me how you can learn weird things from the lounge. Billberries? Read the link posting, very interesting.
Pie came out great. Crust made with lard is wonderful (don't use Crisco, it went to the dark side and is crap now), and I'm having a slice for breakfast. At 10am, the doc pulls more blood to then tell me I've been bad, but that's another story.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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My grandmother used to make a great meal for me when I visited her.
Steak and Kidney pie followed by Eccles cake. Never go near the kitchen when the kidneys are cooking!
Never seen either on the left side of the pond. I don't even recall seeing currants.
(that is left as in geography, not politics) 
My mother was born over there, family moved to Canada, then to the USA.
We asked her for the eccles cake recipe and her answer was something like "a little of this and then a lot of that, then bake until done".
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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We have Steak & Kidney pudding quite often (shop bought i'm afraid). But I haven't eaten an Eccles cake for years; probably since I lived in Manchester.
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charlieg wrote: They are in their late 80s, mil has mid to mid+ dementia and FIL is hanging in there. We use this as an excuse to keep eyes on them. For those of you with elderly parents, they will lie through their teeth and tell you all is well. Don't buy it.
Frankly late 80s is a pretty good run before reaching mid/mid+ dementia. My mom was 67 when she was diagnosed with early on-set Alzheimer's, and by the time she was 72 my dad was so stressed out his doctor convinced him she had to be moved into a nursing home, or he was gonna be the one who dropped first.
That was harsh.
3 weeks after she moved out of the house, Covid hit and everybody went into lock-down. For months, all that was allowed in terms of visits was to stand outside and talk (shout) through her window, which couldn't even be opened. That did more for her rapid decline than anything else. It wasn't long after that she couldn't name anyone, and wasn't aware she was married and had children.
Look after your father-in-law, and your wife and her siblings. They're the ones who will feel it the most.
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I agree with a good run. She is just very abusive when in private. FIL has about reached the point about putting her in assisted living but that will surely start a war. I have had private discussions with FIL to make sure he takes care of himself. She sleeps about 3 hours/day and won't go to bed until 5am or so. If he fails to get up when she does, she'll rip the covers off the bed.
"take care of fil, wife and others"
One of the reason I "retired." My wife's last day at work is tomorrow. Then we'll be together 24x7. This will be very interesting. 
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: FIL has about reached the point about putting her in assisted living but that will surely start a war.
My mother looked after her own parents when they both got dementia. Based on her own experiences, she always said she did not want to be sent to a nursing home.
So when the day came, we told her she was going to be checked out by a doctor in a hospital...I guess she wasn't aware enough of her surroundings to notice she was in a nursing home and not a hospital. When it came time for us to leave (even though the doctor never came, she realized), we told her they were keeping her overnight "for observation". In other words, a bold-faced lie.
And then they tell you that you can't come back the very next day; they advised us to wait at least a week for her to get used to things.
Now...as polite as she was, my mother's never really been particularly sociable, and never really did well among strangers, especially if she was totally on her own. So you can just imagine what must've gone through her head when she realized we were nowhere to be found.
When we went back a week after...well, let's just say the guilt my dad felt ate away at him for years. He still gets emotional talking about it and we all avoid discussing "that day".
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This mostly made me think that chicken bouillon added to the dough for a pie crust might be a really great idea.
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lol, I can see where you might go there. Software weenie
Let's see, where did I put that joke... oh, here it is...
"Could you please go shopping for me and buy one carton of milk, and if they have eggs, get 6!" A short time later the husband comes back with 6 cartons of milk. The wife asks him, "Why the hell did you buy 6 cartons of milk?" He replied, "They had eggs."
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: For those of you with elderly parents, they will lie through their teeth and tell you all is well.
I do not buy it, but he is 2000+ km away.
Additionally he totally "convinced" me with one argument in the discussion "come to us", his answer was:
I prefer to live 2 years than to survive 10.
Reference: My mother was 7 or 8 years really fvcked up, before she got kind of better (from really fvcked up to just fvcked up) and died 1 year later.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Nelek wrote: I prefer to live 2 years than to survive 10.
This very aptly summarizes something I've never been able to verbalize into such few words.
Consider it stolen.
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dandy72 wrote: Consider it stolen.
dandy72 wrote: This very aptly summarizes something I've never been able to verbalize into such few words.
I could not counter that, so I just shut up
M.D.V. 
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sigh... dealing with parents is a bitch, especially so when they get old.
I won't tell you or describe my mom's last days. I was in complete denial and not the river...
You know what sucks about growing up and adulting? I hate that word, but it's perfect in the context - you might just find out that your parents weren't adulting.
Side note - predators are out there to take advantage of them. be vigilant.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: Side note - predators are out there to take advantage of them. be vigilant.
I know, I try, but not easy from so far.
Luckily close cousins of mine keep an eye on him.
M.D.V.
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charlieg wrote: adulting? I hate that word
Bill Maher claims to have coined the term. Or at least that's what he named his latest HBO special.
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Time to look at Noda Time[^] perhaps? 
And maybe also a skim through Jon Skeet's blog posts on the topic[^].
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Time zones are an obsolete concept and were never a good idea to begin with.
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I disagree. At the time, "Railway Time" was an excellent response to the issue where every town had their own idea of what the current time was, which made train scheduling confusing for both the railway companies and the traveling public.
Nowadays, though, you should probably store DateTime objects in UTC or Unix-Epoch or some other non-local time format, and convert to local time as needed.
I've seen various arguments for doing everything in UTC, but I can't see that as gaining traction. People, being people, are going to want to have solar noon more-or-less match the clock reading 12:00 [Pedantic note: noon is neither AM (Ante-Meridian: before midday) or PM (Post-Meridian: after midday)]. Though maybe that's an old fogey perspective, and it will be like the metric system, with eventually only the US sticking to the old ways.
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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Totally agree. Well, except I believe that everything should be stored in UTC. Just get used to it already.
But, especially before the Internet and globalization, anti-timezone peeps act like not having a timezone would be better. But, just imagine the chaos of morning sunrise happening at 11:00PM. It's just trading one confusion for another. People want to act smart by looking behind them (easy to do) and insulting things. But, I can promise, given the state of the world, most everyone would be agreeing to use them if they were alive and well during that time.
IMO daylight savings time did more harm than timezones. Again, I can see why it was created. But, it caused more issues than timezones. Timezones were never really an issue.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 24-Jul-24 11:53am.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: everything should be stored in UTC
I've been using Unix Epoch (seconds since Jan 1, 1970 UTC+0) i.e. a time_t to store most times since the late 80's. Which is the same idea. It represents a fixed moment in time, and what semantic interpretation is up to any locale information that's active at any given moment.
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Well, except I believe that everything should be stored in UTC.
I did this and then calculated back to the current time zone.
So then the customer called and said someone did something in the middle of the night, which was unthinkable.
After looking it up I said that person was in another time zone (on vacation) and did something that was middle of the night for him.
It was decided that everything should always be stored and shown in their HQ time zone, even when on vacation or when the apocalypse hits.
Loved the simplicity, stored current time and never looked back
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So then display the time info in the appropriate time. There's no rule saying you can't do that. UTC is just internal to the app. Good luck doing datetime math in local time all over the world. It'll be a living nightmare.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: IMO daylight savings time did more harm than timezones.
1000% this
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I use DateTimeOffset instead of storing in UTC.
Too many things can go wrong in the conversion when using DateTime. I have seen highly experienced developers doing stupid things like DateTime.Now.ToUniversalTime()
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