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For a discussion about the difference between criminals and outlaws, read Tom Robbins: Still Life With Woodpecker.
(For a good time, read any book by Tom Robbins! Especially if you like writers who play with language.)
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honey the codewitch wrote: conversely homosexuality was illegal until it wasn't. [disclaimer: I know little about American history, even less about gay history; the following comment based on a quick google!] It was only made illegal by European settlers; the indigenous American population recognised homosexuality as "two-spirited" - embodying both male and female spirits. Indeed it was the settlers who introduced the concept of "sin" to the continent. The number of different terms for two-spirited people in the various languages suggests they were far from unknown, and were even treated with "sacredness and reverence" according to one article. All of which pretty much underlines your main point!
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Yeah, I realize that. I'm an informal student of gender and culture. I'm speaking specifically of the european flavored "west", where Greek Christianity took root and poisoned our own culture. *hides*
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I always wonder how the gay/trans/lesbian/... community would react to a straight (hetero) section in the annual Pride parade.
How would you react? Should it be denied? Tolerated? Encouraged? ("You" are meant as any reader of this post.)
What if it grew bigger than any other section, dominating the parade? OK? Or should measures be taken to downsize the straight influence/dominance?
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Careful. You'll be wanting equality, non-discrimination and fair representation next!
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dandy72 wrote: Am I wrong? Not by any normal standard. But you have to remember that these idiots nice people believe that only they hold the correct views of the world (and maybe even the universe).
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My grandmother called it
A) Manners
B) Minding ones own business
But I'm probably tiptoeing into a subject I shouldn't here.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Totally agree and would add Respect!
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ditto
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Oooh B) is sooo hard!
And you have every right to barge into this conversation.
(Until Chris decides this whole thread and everybody in it needs to be shut down!)
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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???
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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"Wokeness" assumes that they and their fellow travelers are the only ones who know the Truth. It is not a political movement, but a religious one. Like most religions, it is intolerant of any other gods.
Your conclusion is correct.
EDIT: see today's Dilbert.
People Who are Better - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-09-03 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
modified 3-Sep-22 14:22pm.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: see today's Dilbert
This is actually what got me thinking about this...
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Wokeness preys on people's guilt about not being tolerant. So no, wokeness cannot coexist with tolerance.
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obermd wrote: So no, wokeness cannot coexist with tolerance.
Seems to me coexistence implies tolerance...so...is wokeness antithesis to tolerance?
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Yes, "wokeness" is a form of shaming.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Yes, "wokeness" is a form of shaming.
And then there's the self-loathing. Something else I don't understand - nor want to.
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Wokeness is the antithesis of tolerance. In fact, most of the Left's world view isn't tolerant of differing opinions.
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obermd wrote: So no, wokeness cannot coexist with tolerance. As computer guys, I guess we are entitled to thinking in binary. It is either 0 or 1, off or on.
Analog guys (actually, 40 years ago there were analog computers as well!) are prepared to handle intermediate values. You can be tolerant up to a point. Maybe more in some areas than in others. Conversely, you go the woke line only so far, you do not go to extremes.
Neither woke nor tolerance is absolute. You should strive to understand where your limits are for either of them. Then spend some time pondering whether you really have good enough reasons to justify these limits.
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Wokeness is not a word. Being woke means you were asleep. As for the rest of us, we were always awake.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Wow - how many words do you want to apply this to? How far back are you wanting to go. The tens of thousands of words that never existed before say 1900? How about the riduculous number of words that culture have modified over the last few decades - many of which mean exactly the opposite of their original meaning.
Or is it just 'woke' that you have trouble with?
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Not a dictionary word. It's an ugly non-word in the jargon family.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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You will see my reply in another post.
Hey, enjoy the push back.
You have awakened my debate sense.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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i guess its the way your bring up your children.. and i guess they never lived under oppression or constant threat..freedom is not free
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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pressure from the unseen.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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