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PIEBALDconsult wrote: I would like to have Turbo Pascal 5.5 and Turbo C on my PC again me too (specially the turbo C), and I am not that old
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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APL?
You can always tell an APL programmer. But not much.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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theoldfool wrote: You can always tell an APL programmer Yeah, he/she's the one that the SETI folks are always following around, trying to decipher his code as the one line design for a hyperdrive.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Only wimps use more than one line.
Hold my beer and watch this!
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Had to write a short cobol program in the 90s to handle communications between IBM mainframe and DEC because the resident mainframe people couldn't and wouldn't do it. That was one time to many.
Technician
1. A person that fixes stuff you can't.
2. One who does precision guesswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge.
JaxCoder.com
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I've been coding for 30+ years. Started with GW Basic, the did some QuickBasic.
But for 15 years I did Fox based languages in all it's flavors: FoxBase, FoxPLUS, FxoPro for DOS, FoxPro for Windows, and all version of Visual FoxPro.
I've been doing C# for 15 years now and have't looked back. But I really did enjoy Fox.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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There are the languages I really liked working in at the time: Ada, VAX FORTRAN, VAX/VMS DCL (scripting), LISP, and Intel assembly language using a flat memory model. At the time I developed sufficient fluency in each of these that I could solve any programming problem you like in them, given enough time.
Interestingly, I don't feel any nostalgia to go back to programming in any of them. The amenities available now in most languages are so superior it's incredible. I know that Ada, FORTRAN, and LISP all have contemporary versions with modern facilities, but those all seem to have a "me too!" flavor to them.
Today my language of choice is C# unless there's substantial bit/byte-fiddling to be done, and then it's C++.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I loved the VAX/VMS system. I used Pascal, some C, DCL, FMS, and others. I had a 2 shelf set of manuals from DEC, which if you followed the rules everything would just work. I even developed a primitive pre-object system where I would pass a structure for specific data entry forms to several routines; saved a lot of coding.
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Yeah, that was some system. I don't miss the languages as much as the system itself. You read the directions and wrote the program, and it worked.
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About as much as I miss Latin.
A few of us (about 3 out of 60) got fairly good at it. It became like a secrete language. The priests recognized it but could not understand it. There was one exception, the priest that taught it.
I wonder if any of these languages will ever take on similar religious connotations?
So many years of programming I have forgotten more languages than I know.
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Not bloody likely, SuperBase was a bitch with weird errors that could not be identified. At one point I fixed an error by deleting the entire line and retyping exactly the sane code, weird.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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I had something similar happen with a DCL script.
It was very strange, like the script would run, and then the system would try to execute the output.
There was no way it could happen. I had to delete and rewrite the file.
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I forgot that I also have VAX BASIC on my MicroVAX, because it has immediate mode:
HelloWorld.png[^]
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I'm working on Turbo Pascal in DOS right now. Does that qualify?
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I miss programming in ActionScript. The Language which was used for the FlashPlayer.
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To really go back to basics... I miss changing the type writer ribbon sometimes
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I've loved, and yet I love, the Motorola 680x0 Assembler.
I've spent so many hours on my Amigas furiously bashing the hardware.... pure pleasure!
Sic.
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Sometimes I miss programming in PostScript, the language that, so long ago, gave me my technical "fifteen minutes of fame:" it's like Lisp with a stack, and RPN, welded to a very powerful vector based graphics engine.
PostScript's control of namespace lookup by an explicit stack of Dictionaries is very cool. Like Lisp, or other interpreted languages with a full REPL, turning text to code, and the reverse, was easy.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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Yep - Miss the good old days of C++98 before the ISO committee got its hands on it...
The days when engineers where engineers not wimps scared of a null pointer or two!
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I have always programmed in C++. Except for a stint before it came out when I purchased UCSD Pascal for $100. You got the source code too. Its 16-bit byte codes ran on an interpreter whose idea was later later adopted by Java and Microsoft's reaction to Java, C#. You could debug UCSD Pascal both forwards and backwards, something Visual Studio is still dreaming about doing.
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I used many different languages to some extent (some pretty obscure) in my 50+ year programming career. Of them all I think I liked C most of all. It was a short step up from the assembler to learn and was easy for me to use. Being a control freak I felt it gave me the best product from my time. I found the C lib functions straight forward and manageable.
This is just an old fart's opinion. I can get by in just about anything. There is truly nothing under the sun. The language syntax and organization changes but it is all pretty much the same.
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I remember them, but I don't exactly miss them enough to download a compiler and start writing Cobol or Fortran code. Almost, but not quite, now we have Mathf and C# so who needs the older languages? Well, unless you are called on to do a code conversion or repair old code.
I learned with Basic and Pascal. But I will never refer a beginner to those languages these days.
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I have a warm spot in my heart for Ada.
Think more teams should consider Ada2012 for their next project at least if it's realtime embedded development.
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I have a warm spot in my heart for Ada.
Think more teams should consider Ada2012 for their next project at least if it's realtime embedded development.
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Sigh. Yes, I miss FORTRAN77. My first love, I guess.
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