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How do we deal with the non-tech managers.
For no reason, the top boss has hired a B-school grad (Just because he's from a top University) and have handed over the responsibility to "drive" the project.
We have never missed a deadline nor there's an issue with execution. We do have an Engineering manager as well. We are all very happy to interact with him.
But the new guy talks a lot on the white board and this is quite irritating. He knows nothing about the product but talks with wide mouth as if he's pushing a lot to "get things done".
"Get things done" BS. this is one of the worst lines to get into my ears.
Do you think I should write to the top boss and ask him be removed out of the loop?
He adds no value in the entire chain of things.
Do you have the system of dumb folks sitting on top and doing this "getting things done" as well? is this culture going away or not? 
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Well, a B. School grad from a "top university" is quite an expense on the project. Maybe there is something the top boss sees that you don't.
Projects die due to bad decisions, someone is replaced by someone else and people start leaving. Maybe this is a que for you, who knows. 
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GKP1992 wrote: Maybe there is something the top boss sees that you don't.
No actually , we (The team & the top boss) both see just one thing - Team is happy at their work.
So the boss has taken an action about this.
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Ah, the Peter principle.[^]
I wouldn't recommend going to the top boss, as in effect you will be telling the top boss that he has bad judgement as he hired this manager.
Working with jerks both at the same level and above you is just an unfortunate aspect of work 
Fortunately you will probably find that the jerks are in the minority although that does not always minimise their effect.
Good luck all the same.
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― Christopher Hitchens
modified 5-May-19 14:04pm.
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 wonderful!
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Going over his head is unlikely to work - particularly in the "early days" when he has no track record one way or the other. It's likely to be seen as you "not being a team player" and just resisting teh management changes that he - and presumably the guy who hired him - feel are needed to progress the project. Bear in mind that the "top boss" may have other reasons to hire him that you are not privy to (he could be a relation for example).
Live with it, have a quiet word with the new hire, or update your resume.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Just learned a new word: privy
... which is very delicate -SubstantiveNoun vs. Adjective - for me to use as a non native english speaker
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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It is also a noun: the smallest (usually) and most necessary room in the house.
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Quote: It is also a noun
Uuuups that is what I mean with "Substantive"... you see it is dangerous/delicate for me to communicate in English
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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0x01AA wrote: it is dangerous/delicate for me to communicate in English
Well it might be, if we English speakers had a better understanding of our own language.
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'stru, innit? woteva.
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: Live with it, have a quiet word with the new hire
Yes, in other words, let's fight it out! lol
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0x01AA wrote: you can maybe optimize
Isn't that the compiler's job? 
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No no, my signature is privy 
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makes my day! thanks
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Nand32 wrote: "Get things done" BS. this is one of the worst lines to get into my ears.
Larry the Cable Guy has made a career out of saying practically that.
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dandy72 wrote: Larry the Cable Guy has made a career out of saying practically that.
Gonna check this out 
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Nand32 wrote: Gonna check this out
He's the "git-r-done" guy. Not everybody's cup of tea.
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simple part: do what he says (be diligent in the meetings - write it down - yes: get it done).
hard part: don't do what he doesn't say.
best part: go home at the official workday end time.
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Non-tech managers are the best kind. They can't make any intelligent suggestions for the project. Learn to answer his management jargon with like jargon. Like all managers, you need to manage him. Suck it up and get on with it. Make sure he sees you as a team player.
He will settle down when he has had his say. Maybe you could suggest he provide donuts at the meetings;
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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You may be old but you're no fool.
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Nand32 wrote: Do you have the system of dumb folks sitting on top and doing this "getting things done" as well?
Any time there was, I made a big problem out of it. I'm paid to do so, and it is unethical not to.
As long as he doesn't negatively influence the project, no big deal; but he might become a failure-point for an otherwise succesfull project, dragging the entire team with him.
Anything that endangers the project needs to be identified and dealt with, preferably at the start of the project. That's part of the job, isn't it?
Being very intelligent and promising is also no alternative to experience. While I agree that one can only gain experience by doing, I'd like to point out that such is done better from a position where one does not lead others.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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