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Hi All,
At my parents building things, fixing things etc. I know I am not really a skilled trades man, or term served apprentice more enthusiastic amature. I have not really got a full tools set more I tend to buy the cheap pound shop version (Harbour Freight for those over the pond!) of a tool for a purpose typically if its any use it gets replaced with a better version when finaces allow. Does the hive mind have any opinon on this method of tool set acquisition, I am pretty much the same with PC's does it run X will it run Y, not cutting edge does the job, gets replaced when it breaks or wont do the job.
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glennPattonInThePubAGAIN wrote: Does the hive mind have any opinon on this method of tool set acquisition, I am pretty much the same with PC's does it run X will it run Y, not cutting edge does the job, gets replaced when it breaks or wont do the job.
Sneak onto a construction site at night and take a good look what you can find there. The selection may be not very good, but the price is unbeatable. 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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True, but I don't know about you...I would have trouble storing a Bulldozer or Low Loader.... 
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I would suggest a stealthier[^] course of action anyway.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Right! Let's avoid being conspicuous.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Trades people don't usually leave tools on job site and if they do and you get caught...think tar and feathers.
I know you're kidding... 
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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Mike Hankey wrote: you get caught...think tar and feathers.
And in Texas that would only be the overture.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: And in Texas that would only be the overture.
Shot, stabbed, drawn and quartered, staked down in an ant bed then hung!
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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The next morning they would find you drifting face down in the Rio Grande. The Mexicans would hope for your remains to wash up on the Texas side, and vice versa.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I never had tool problems... My father is magician when it comes to fixing things around home... We always had decent tools in perfect conditions and since I married he checks out every 2-3 months what I need and buys the tool...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Assuming such exists where you are, try pawn shops.
From what I've heard here, you can get used merchandise relatively inexpensively, including tools.
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I have in the past looked at getting a masonry drill from a pawn/loan/cash-convertor style place pick it up released a cober plate to look inside (to appear to know what I was doing!) release about 3 pounds of dust a broken bits. Put the drill back on its shelf and left...
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Most of my tools are of high quality (and more than 25 years old). I have only a few cheap ones for seldom required works.
Did you ever helped with a movement, asked for a Philips screw driver, and got handed out a really cheap one, or - even worse - one delivered together with the furniture kit?
These can be only used with brand new screws being very carefully to avoid damaging the screw. When using them for unscrewing, often screw and driver are damaged. Unscrewing such maltreated screws is then really difficult even when using a really good driver.
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The worst thing is someone who doesn't know the difference between Philips and Cross Head and then round off your very expensive Philips in a cross head destroying the srew head while moaning that the screw driver is wrong. 
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I made a huge error once when it came to buying cheap tools. Bought a cheap all in one tool for bike fixing...
Let just say that neither tool nor screw survived that ordeal. The hexagon shaped tool gbake round, same with the screw. There was just enough grip left in the screw that with a lot of force a high quality tool managed to get it loose but by then enough damage had been made that I just chucked it all away.
Cheap tools to fix a cheap bike wasn't the best combination.
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I for one have always found those all in tools to be a false economy I play Bass and needed a set of Hex-Allen Keys bought one of those tool and found it to be very awkward to use, yeah they are handy to get you out of a mess but a set of loose keys allow me to get better purchase...beware the All-In One Tool, it does everything to an extenet.
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I got a mid quality multitool that's quite usefull when fixing stuff at home and I can't be arsed to walk down the stairs and get the correct one but overall specific tools are better.
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I have a small bag for biking containing all tools required when on the road. The total weight of the Allen keys (no others required) is less than the weight of an universal tool (even a cheap one).
I have also replaced most of the screws. I still can't understand that even really expensive bikes use ordinary (cheap) steel screws. My tracking bike is quite old meanwhile and parked in the car port. But there are no rusty screws.
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If you buy the German made tools they will last forever (until children grow up and borrow them but then your grandkids will repeat the cycle and then the next gen for many many years).
if you buy USA made they will be stronger and faster than ever required (particularly power tools), - only last for a single family generation but while you have them you can throw brick shithouses at them and they will still be sweet as they day they were bought.
Japanese, and some better Korean tools are not too bad, but usually too small and can not handle real hard work (i.e. unlike their USA couterparts you couldn't use a Japanese wood drill to bore holes in reinforced concrete.)
If you buy the Chinese versions, they will work OK for 3 minutes and then threaten to melt unless rested for a couple of hours, after that no more then 2 minutes in single session with 2 hour cooling breaks. (Completely gutless too and if pushed too hard really will disintegrate). Don't count on keeping them as about 3 - 6 months after purchase will either be a pile of dust, or infested by insects in the process of rendering that way - eventually other insects will eat the dust too
Believe it or, ... just believe it: you never loose Chinese made stuff, it just ceases to exist.
Aussie tools are just Chinese tools in disguise fumigated to keep the insects out. In fact nothing is made in Aus anymore except new generations of whingers and weak Aussie branded beers now all made to the owner's recipes; the owner being "Asia-Pacific" - i.e. Asian).
Sin tack ear lol
Pressing the "Any" key may be continuate
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If you buy the Chinese versions, they will work OK for 3 minutes and then threaten to melt unless rested for a couple of hours, after that no more then 2 minutes in single session with 2 hour cooling breaks.
For years I thought I was really hard on tools not using them properly then I borrowed my Dads Black & Decker power drill my opinion changed. 
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glennPattonInThePubAGAIN wrote: Black & Decker
 Rubbish, I have two tools from Black and Decker and just 1 of them does a reasonable job. If you want to have decent tools, upgrade to Bosch (better) or one of the top brands DeWalt or Makita. I have some things from Power Tools or Power+ (Can't remember the name) which seem to do OK for the moment.
Same for screw drivers, screws, hammers.... Don't know all the brands there either, but I think Kreator and Stanley are pretty good ... even the bits used in electrical screwdrivers are important, the cheap ones tend to erode quickly, cheap screws are destroyed, before they are screwed completely in (and if it's wrong, try to get that out again, ...)
Hope this helps. 
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What he said.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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V. wrote: Black & Decker
They weren't always bad, until I got my own I borrowed by Dad's 30 year old B&D drill and jigsaws. The drill had been used for drilling metal and brick, and is still going fine.
I bought a B&D drill for car repair - it lasted less than a year of not much heavy-duty use before the reverse-gear switch gave up. 100% would not recommend Black and Decker.
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Well, 30 years ago, they'd not gone down the cheap route. Walmart stuff only now.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I think my Dads was 30 years+ when I used it...sadly it was lent to a neighbor who burnt the motor out! 
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