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Flynn effect - quite true.
It may be an artefact of generally increasing childhood health, nutrition etc.
When the greatest proportion of "the population" (choose yours) has roughly the same conditions as the previous generation, the Flynn Effect will become very interesting.
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My experience is that intelligence is wide spread. Some who are good in logic and mathematics, are really bad in art, sports or craftmanship.
I dont like people who got an attest about 130++ and think other people are stupid.
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Greetings from Germany
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IQ testing (professionally supervised tests) are PREDICTIVE.
Any given set of high-IQ people will have better life-time outcomes in all sorts of areas (health, wealth, longevity among others).
Their outcomes will be rather better than any given set of "average" people.
Their outcomes will be immensely better than any given set of very low IQ people.
There are NO tests for art, craftsmanship or sport that are predictive. None. Except for IQ tests of course
(Forget physical tests you morons - of course you it helps to be to be tall to play Basketball, and to have two legs to play football).
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You've posted this twice ... it was waiting in moderation
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Not so smart of me
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I did chuckle a little bit
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Wombaticus wrote: just how smart (or dumb) is someone with an IQ of 100?
For example - how would such people fare in:
applications to an average university
I suspect a lot of people would have difficulty just filling out the form.
Wombaticus wrote: running for public office (ha ha just joking with that one!)
Bill Maher's Religulous[^] has the answer to that one.
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I'd say politicians would be a good measure of average.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull) put the answer to your question ever so wisely:
"Thick as a Brick"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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+1 for referencing a great album!
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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Yes - that wasn't the question though...
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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Average persons give average solutions to problems, whereas better-than-average individuals give better solutions. Meaning the same sort of solution as most others came up with under the same conditions. Well, most problems have solutions that are gradient of a worst to best choices; the mind can pare these down to a set of multiple choice answers. The answer most people give is the average.
On the one hand a problem may have only one solution that everyone can come up with, like how to open a bag of potato chips. On the other hand it could be difficult to determine how a great solution is any better than an average solution, like a Windsor tie knot.
Dumb persons usually know that they are using a poor solution. They have a creeping feeling that something is amiss in how they are dealing with a situation. Usually they can rely on the observations of an average individual to help them, correct them, and likely save them from trouble. Correcting a dumb person does not make a person any better than average one.
Assumedly, smart persons are those persons that correct the solutions of average persons. This being a robust planet of average people, this sort of intelligence correction is of very little use, and is generally discouraged. Luckily, you're asking about average people and not smart people .
Let's be frank about this though. On earth there are a few goals to which ninety-nine percent of the people yearn and strive: To be rich, and carefree! 'Nuf said. So what are the average results for any person in the world today probably describes a concept of averagicity. This concept boils down to an order of priorities.
Which comes first and last? 1) Cut lawn. 2) Drink tea. 3) Study code.
What's the best time to masturbate? Winter? Or summer?
Answers describe us, and our destiny. Average prioritization yields average life. Rebellion is futile. Good luck
Remain Calm & Continue To Google
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Of course, stupid people don't realize there's a problem at all...
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Wombaticus wrote: What is average intelligence Pretty disappointing
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I'd probably have my dossier stamped 'do not allow to breed' by the results of such IQ tests - do I give a rats ? no f-ing way ..
- I have enough intelligence to learn (sometimes not without pain) new programming techniques (IOC is my current study task)
- I have enough intelligence to solve all sorts of IT and engineering problems (like designing and building a wheelchair ramp for my mother when she broke her leg and needed a way into/out of the house), putting up a weather station on a remote site, bringing two IT systems that may as well be speaking swahili and greek together
- I have enough intelligence to be nice and treat people with respect (except the fvcker car drivers as I was speed cycling yesterday, they dont deserve no stinkin respect) (whoops )
- I know I can acquire new knowledge when I need to
I dont get how I'd feel threatened by being above or below average - I have the intelligence I need
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Yes - I'm not sure I'd do particularly well in an IQ test either, but I don't have much faith in them measuring anything useful.
The thing is - does the average person have the intelligence they need - or that "we" need - in order to create a viable, likeable, society? Without trying to blow my own trumpet, I really do wonder...
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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Wombaticus wrote: does the average person have the intelligence they need - or that "we" need - in order to create a viable, likeable, society?
Hemmm... do you see the news every day?
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I am American. I love my country and intelligence wise I think we stack up just fine on average. The problem is that the average to really smart are weighed down by the grindingly stupid. We have people who reject learning and are incapable of critical thought. We have a left that wants to push political correctness into law and a right that wants to teach religion in public schools. Management in government and the private sector is a freak show. That anything actually works amazes me.
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I've known some really smart people who had almost no actual commons sense (same goes for street smarts).
I've also known some people who seemed just fine, and even pretty smart, until you start having a conversation with them that requires them to either be well read or have their own opions (that they could back up - not just that were popular).
Just look at people in Academia......
Also, I knew a girl in school who was acing all of her classes. She seemed to have a photographic memory, heh. However, you could bring her to tears over critical thinking questions - she just couldn't do it. She could seem regular in conversations, because she could recall a lot of information. But, in the end, she had a difficult (almost painful) time with critical thinking questions.
I don't think 100 means anything at all. It only matters if you're directly going into something that requires you to have IQ.
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Well, indeed... I've often argued that there are two necessary "components" to intelligence: a brain that is good at "connecting the dots", and lots of "dots" - i.e. information. Either one without hew other renders you, effectively, not very smart. You could have the brain of Einstein, but without a decent memory it'll do you little good. (This is my excuse anyway, and I'm sticking to it!) Conversely, you could be like that girl in your school...
All of which is, though interesting, all slightly beside the point, or the question, I was asking. Which is how smart is average? Intuitively we think, well, average is average, so... but I suspect that actually average is pretty stupid. I know the question is kind of meaningless - like asking how red is red? - but maybe put it his way: compared to chimpanzees, how smart is the average (IQ-100) human? I suspect the factor, though large, is not as great as we'd like to believe.
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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The Chimpanzee question is awesome!
Back in the old days, they separated us from monkeys/apes by saying that we could not only USE tools, we could make tools for specific use. That separated us.
Then, they found a monkey break a branch, strip the leaves off of it, smooth it out, and stick it into an ant hole, to eat the ants.
I believe they went back and changed the definition.
Finally, I like the phrase "reasonably intelligent". 100 on the IQ test is kinda meaningless, because we work in standard deviations above and below to actually tell us who is a genius and who is an idiot.
For me, it implies that some expected to be able to THINK, not just answer questions, but a certain amount of critical thinking. Also, they do NOT have to refer to their name tag EVERY Time they introduce themselves
So, the basic definition of average intelligence is someone who should be trainable to perform some specific set of activities in a time comparable with anyone else randomly picked from a population.
This gets to the heart of your question: Why? Why do you want to know? To find/filter people. To understand if your expectations (like those we place on our children, family, friends) are reasonable?
Why does the exact definition of Average Intelligence matter? Furthermore, a study of who succeeds in life shows that "grit" is a better determination of success than IQ.
Personally, I believe IQ to be a flawed system. But it is what we have.
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Why? No real reason - I wasn't trying to start a scientific debate, just a conversation.... we humans like to think we're smart, and some of us are (many a good deal smarter than I - I am not trying to blow my own trumpet here), I just got to wondering: how smart is the average person, really? And I suspect the (totally unscientific) answer is: not very, or certainly not as smart as we like to think.
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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Well, Almost everyone starts by considering themselves Above Average today!
But this is probably not a representative forum. As developers, we usually suffer higher than average IQs. Abstraction and Problem Solving require intelligence.
Most Average or below average people drop out.
When someone knows they are not that smart, they usually refer to themselves as average.
So I would argue here that most people on the forum are above average, with some FAR above average, as that is who tends to be drawn into programming.
I think average intelligent human beings are, overall, pretty smart comparatively so. The ability to appreciate music, read, write, communicate with a complex language, and learn slang are difficult for most primates.
Try teaching a small child how type words when they don't know how to read/write yet, you will quickly appreciate how smart average really is.
Of course, go to McDonalds, and you might experience it from the other end of the spectrum when placing your order, or watching them make change
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