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No, not food. Silicon.
I find it interesting that Apple has just announced their A8 20nm chips, yet intel announced their 14nm chips.
There's been occasional talk of intel being behind when it comes to new technology, yet here we have Apple announcing what seems fairly pedestrian specs.
What's your call here? Is it more than transistor size? Is it more your the ecosystem? Is it more than marketing buzz (or is that all it ever is?). Who's doing the most innovation here? Or is there real innovation here or just a gradual, predictable progression?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Intel needs to create a generic CPU for all kind of hardware and software applications.
Apple need to create a specialized CPU to work within its ecosystem (and I have no doubt the ecosystem is well aware of that!)
Multicore CPU changed the way we should look at the hardware itself; speed does not matter as much as it used to , transistor size is not as important.
Personally, I don't really care about CPU.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: speed does not matter as much as it used to , transistor size is not as important
One of the most important visions Intel talking about is using these technologies in health-care systems...Imagine how important size and speed can be if we talking about a life saving chip implanted into the skull of a cardiac...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Chris Maunder wrote: A8 20nm chips, yet intel announced their 14nm chips
Maybe there were other trade-offs that the Apple on wins with? Maybe it runs cooler or something, or lower power consumption, less cost, etc.?
Of course the consumer won't care, as long as the iphone does what they want and looks and feels sleek. I think it really does come down to the product that is built around the chip. So, Intel wins one with the geeks, but Apple cries their way all the way to the bank. 
Besides, I'm very interested in what products can be built with the least hardware, chips, transistors, etc.
I believe that is what Woz would say too. He's a minimalist. Read his great book,
iWoz: Computer Geek to Cult Icon[^]
Yes, I know he's not really involved with Apple any longer. Just sayin'.
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What I liked about it that from the speaker point of view 14nm wasn't the big deal, but the fact that they look for 10nm and beyond!
Did you saw that nice 3D show with the out-of-lab computer, running a 10nm CPU? And he told it will be here in the second half of 2015...
And I heard already about the 5nm that they working on already...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Smaller transistors equal higher speeds, less heat, and so less power - so a 14nm chip should perform better in a system than a 20nm one.
But...that's ivory tower stuff: the chip architecture has a lot of influence. IIRC, ARM used to do a demo where they ran an ARM processor off the waste heat from a Pentium chip and still outperformed it: RISC vs CISC makes a big difference!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Apple isn't really an individual spec type of company. That's more Wintel. Apple is about "the entire experience" sort of thing. So, saying they aren't progressing because of 6nm isn't really a fair statement, unless you're talking about tech so small you can embed it in your body, nobody will notice that size difference much.
Jeremy Falcon
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They needed a bigger chip because each transistor in it is wearing a fedora.
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Chris Maunder wrote: No, not food. Silicon.
 Yet I'm still left hungry. Thanks Chris.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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The apple ones have got a radius on the corners, so the Intel ones suck.
It's like all phones with front and back cameras sucked until a couple of years later, when apple invented the idea of making a phone with front and back cameras.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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If you believe the Apple marketing guys, you will know that 20nm is bigger and better than 14nm.
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Apparently, Intel had serious yield problems, hence the delays with Broadwell. NVidia reportedly also had teething problems with 14nm and Maxwell. Apple probably wanted to go with 14nm since it would use less power, but they needed chips now, not in Q4 2014 or Q1 2015.
(BTW, based on sample reports, it appears that 14nm has a real payoff with power. Heck, even the Haswell chips are amazing with power.)
modified 10-Sep-14 23:16pm.
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I'm at the intel IDF conference keynote
The focus here is strongly Internet of Things and wearables, with a nice helping of their 14nm technology and a large dose of HTML5. Intel are very much trying to bring the chip out of the datacentre and into your day to day life. The overarching theme is Creativity.
I'll post updates as the keynote progresses.
Developers, developers, developers. Well, nearly, but far classier. It's all about developers and how they build and shape the new connected world. A little too much buzzword bingo for this crowd, but I know he needs sound bites for those media types.
(And maybe turn the volume down - getting deafened in here!)
End to end, data centre to wearables was the focus last year. Analytic services are coming. And a shout out to Tim Cook nod vs the iPhone announcement in an hour
And Intel is the number 2 tablet shipper in the world. Number 2. That's impressive.
50B devices by 2020 and they want to help you monetize this boom in devices.
Tweet #askbrian if you want to send questions directly to Brian. Nt sure if he'll answer live during his keynote, but that would be fun.
There's a discussion on the bio sport SMS heart rate monitor headphones, talk of Opening Cermony and the smart bracelet, and a presentation by Greg McKelvey of FOSSIL.
Intel are pushing to partner with lifestyle companies to bring their chips and their SDKs to traditionally non-tech items.
(Greg's talking about his watch business and his Swiss partners and I can't help think of Apple's Jon Ive's comment the other day that the Swiss watch manufactures are "in trouble")
Now to stuff:
Edison: a dual core SoC. It's about the size of a SD card and will go for $50. Expandable and arduino capable. Much has already been written about Edison so I won't repeat.
Smart monitors: for the home to monitor your house, for buildings to monitor equipment such as cooling units to reduce maintenance calls, to city monitors that monitor the health of a city such as air and water. All of this connected via open standards. The Open Internet Consortium that is targeted to homes, and the Industry Internet Consortium for industry related devices. The point is to give us developers a standard we can develop against.
(Insert quick video from Stephen Hawking. Legend.)
Data centers are front and centre. The internet of things means lots of connected devices, lots of data, and so lots of data centers. This is nice if you happen to be a chip manufacturer.
1.9B smartphones, 26 apps each, 20 daily transactions, 1 trillion transactions per day. Just for phones.
50B devices in 2020 means 35 Zettabytes of data per day. And you think wifi congestion is bad today.
Health services seem to be popping up everywhere, with many rumors around the iWatch and intel is heading straight for that honey pot too. Hypochondriacs everywhere rejoice! I'll admit, though, that real time monitoring of glucose levels
Here's a sound bite and a half: by 2020 Intel's solutions will be able to Sequence a genome, identify a cancer causing gene and target e solution. In a single day. (As a prediction, in 2025 the keynote will say: in 2020 this used to take a whole day. Today we can do this in..)
And a nice big announcement:
A-wear - analytics for wearables. Analytics, insights, cloud based on Hadoop. Platform as a service
ICore m tri-gate 14nm chips are now being produced in volume and will be on the shelves in October. Fanless clamshell and convertible devices will be using this, so I assume eye rumors of the 12" fanless MacBook Air will ramp up big time. However, the demo of the crazy thin Asus convertible had me, for the first time in 2 years, considering a windows based machine. Super light, beyond all-day battery life and plenty of oomph.
Announcement: skylake. Next gen mobile chip. Second half of 2015
New vision:
No cables. No password. New UI
Wireless charging will be ubiquitous. They want everything to have a wireless charger (eg charging in your sofa, dinner table, desk. Wireless gigabit to connect your peripherals and wireless charging to ditch the brick. All this comes with Skylake next year.
Next year the goal is also mean no passwords. You will be the password. I assume this means biometrics but there are no details.
Intel have also announced the intel Reference Design for Google. A standard design for android devices based on the intel platform that is fully certified and that means updates to the OSS will be pushed to these devices within 2weeks of release. Fighting the fractioning of android. Excellent stuff.
More info on RealSense. Far better 3D depth perception and integrated sensor solutions to combine sensor info win cloud dats (location accelerometer sensors hooking up with maps, for instance) More of a platform announcement than specific technology. It's all about getting developers involved and providing us with tons of solutions we can use.
(Uh-oh: apple's announcement has started and I can see cellphones and tablets tuning into live blogs)
Michael Dell just showed off his 6mm thin tablet. Dell venue 8 7000 with RealSense built in
Oh this is cool: he's taken a picture and can now change the focus to any point in the photo after the photo was taken.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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It's only a matter of time before "SmartFridge" becomes a household word. I've been saying this for 2+ years. Pressure and NFC/RFID aware shelf liners will make this happen. Offered at next to zero cost to appliance manufacturers and micro-licensing per smart transaction will make the middleman pretty rich.
Your fridge will talk to your phone/tablet/watch that will know when you're near Loblaws that has a sale on 2% Nielsen milk, 'cos that's what you drink and you're running out. And Loblaws would reward you with a special "SmartDiscount" because they'd love to have all that big data.
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: Your fridge will talk to your phone/tablet/watch that will know when you're near Loblaws that has a sale on 2% Nielsen milk, 'cos that's what you drink and you're running out. And Loblaws would reward you with a special "SmartDiscount" because they'd love to have all that big data.
Until you get hacked... and the online grocery delivers 1000 lbs of anchovies. 
Call me a Luddite but I have no desire to have a connected refrigerator.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Until you get hacked...
Of course. That's nothing new. 
Mike Mullikin wrote: I have no desire to have a connected refrigerator.
Me neither, at least not at this point in time.
/ravi
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And before you know it, this[^] happens. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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"We want no muffins, no toast, no teacakes, no buns, baps, baguettes or bagels, no croissants, no crumpets, no pancakes, no potato cakes and no hot-cross buns and definitely no smegging flapjacks."
Anna ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
Tech Blog | Visual Lint
"Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: "SmartFridge"
Time: Midnight
Place: DD's house
DD: Fridge, I'd like some ice cream.
Fridge: Sorry, Dave, I can't allow that.
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Not so far-fetched - I expect Weight Watchers to jump on the bandwagon.
/ravi
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I'd rather have a SmartPC:
Time: After the pub
Place: DD's house
DD: PC, I'd shlike to posth on CP n Wikipedia plssss.
PC: Sorry, Dave, I can't allow that.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Isn't that what Java was all about? 
Will Rogers never met me.
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It still is! But NFC makes communicating between devices convenient.
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: It's only a matter of time before "SmartFridge" becomes a household word.
Look, it's nigh-on a miracle if you happen to buy the one fridge in 3,120,423 that, by sheer happenstance, is able to maintain a constant temperature, so don't bother talking to me about smart fridges.
Wal's Rule No. 53
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, fix what's broken, not what ain't.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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