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I just have to wonder is this all because Ballamer put it in place or opposed it. I believe his real fall was Vista (which to my mind was a rip off of OSx) or was that a Gates thing? I have only messed with 8 a bit and on a non-touch screen tower PC it seems, well odd & counter intuitive to use. Unlike the previous versions of Windows where everything was there it was a case of finding it 8.0 & 8.1 either don't give you the same control or present it so oddly it's just as useless as it not being there. 
My twopence worth!
Glenn
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The first 928 I had, never had an issue with the screen locking up. With this replacement phone, well just had to reboot it 6 times so I could unlock it...Have no clue what its going on with it but man there should be no reason to reboot a phone a couple of dozen times a day. Extremely frustrating... 
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
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Have you had the same feeling with Netbeans?
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I've never eaten them
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They give terrible gas.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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That will be a Gas Cloud.
i'll get my coat.
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DaveAuld wrote: That will be a Gas Cloud
Azure or Amazon? Or do they both stink?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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As long as you don't get HemAndroids
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DaveAuld wrote: Have you had the same feeling with Netbeans?
It's on my list to try next. You're using Beaglebone's, right? Are you using Netbeans for cross compiling?
Marc
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I haven't got to the beaglebone yet! It is sat on my desk staring at me, next to a Raspi + Getboard, an Arduino and strangely a Netgear gigabit card ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and how could I forget a tin of Stewart Luxury Scottish Fudge.
They Parallela boards are also still waiting, and now something else has got in the way. (more on that later... )
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Well, I await to hear your further adventures. I've been having fun getting the onboard UART to communicate to an MEI bill acceptor, which uses mark/space parity to distinguish between commands, data, and final checksum byte. And of course, only odd/even parity is supported by Debian even though the hardware supports mark/space. Oh, that was painful, but success was achieved!
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: It's on my list to try next.
Please don't. It will spare you from several strokes and will allow you to have a longer life.
If you're interested in cross compiling, just use MonoDevelop. Honestly
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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beaten to a wind comment
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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I had (and still have).
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?!
-- C++ FQA Lite
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_Maxxx_ wrote: Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
Yeah. Using Eclipse is a painful experience. Even tabbing between documents. I didn't appreciate how nice it is that VS puts my "last visited" tab into the "tab back to this tab" slot, so I can easily bounce between two tabs. I have no idea what that feature is called or even how to describe it well, but I sure miss it in Eclipse.
And then there's the whole "you have to save the file before it compiles the latest changes" BS. Why can't it auto-save first? There's probably a configuration option.
The thing that I find most amusing (and annoying) is that the most useful command "build project" has no hotkey!!!
Marc
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I wanted to test my Android article - so tried to remove Eclipse and start again.
I was so tempted to just leave it uninstalled and forget the article!
Still, my readers need me I want to win a prize.
FTFM
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I've have no idea what eclipse would call it (not invented here most likely); but tab Z order sounds right for any rational software stack.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Yeah I really don't understand who uses it. Maybe people who have people dedicated to eclipse configuration. But it's just to cumbersome for it's own good.
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On the plus side:
Eclipse allows you to browse backwards and forwards between code files more easily than VS.
It also auto-compiles when you save.
Customising perspectives is something that VS doesn't really do well.
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It does rather put you off Android development, doesn't it?
We are spoiled, it seems...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I think it seems to be one of those projects that's got too big for its boots.
I think the new google IDE might be better - but it means you have to write in Java !
Rock and Hard Place
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I dumped eclipse and switched to the new Android Studio. Far more productive even as a beta product.
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But unfortunately for Java and not C++ 
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_Maxxx_ wrote: Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
And notepad as well.
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?!
-- C++ FQA Lite
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