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Chevrolet: Cobalt 2005-2010, HHR 2006-2011
Pontiac: G5 2005-2010, Solstice 2006-2010
Saturn: Ion 2003-2007, Sky 2007-2010
Munchies_Matt wrote: Perhaps GM should have put out an ad to say ' don't hang junk off your key, it can turn the ignition off while driving'.
perhaps they should just spend the $.75 and fix the friggin problem.
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Or change the key so the hole is on the pother side?
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Just to add, I disagree with airbags and seatbelts - they should be banned for drivers, and replaced with a six-inch long razor sharp knife in the middle of the steering wheel together with a sign that says "in the event of an accident, you will die".
You will lose a lot of morons in the first few months, but the roads would be a lot, lot safer after that!
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Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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That is, sadly, the case. People are idiots.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Only in the case that the idiot driver is causing the accident himself. But way too often they kill someone who did nothing wrong
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Yes, you'd lose some innocents in the early days. But...you'd also lose all the idiots of that generation, and the following generation would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a car is a lethal weapon. And the standard of driving would improve.
True story: in introduction of seat belt laws in the UK caused more deaths than it saved - because people felt safer and the accidents were bigger, so when people died it was at the scene rather than in a hospital. And so their organs were useless for transplants...it's called "risk compensation" theory. Have a google: there is a large body of evidence that seatbelts don't even save many lives of drivers per year!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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About that story: I hear in russia you're statistically more likely to survive an accident if you don't wear a seatbelt, albeit you have to by law. Most often they just pretend to wear them (not putting them in), so they are "safer" . But that's a story I read in the newspaper some time back around the events unfolding at Sochi.
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There is also an argument that seat belts have resulted in greater numbers of people surviving with injuries (some form of paralysis, brain injury, etc), that would otherwise have croaked at the scene, costing us all far more in the long... run.
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From NBCNews[^]
The recall was first announced in mid-February when GM said the ignition switches on nearly 800,000 vehicles could inadvertently turn off while being driven, stalling the engine and disabling power steering and brakes, and disabling the vehicle airbag system.
I heard the switch costs 59 cents and the problem could definitely cause an accident.
!bVagadishnu
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Apparently only if excessive stuff is hung off the key. Is that normal use?
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Munchies_Matt wrote: excessive stuff
Depends on what you call excessive.
I have a Swiss army knife like this one clickety[^] on my key ring and it caused me no problems turning the car off.
I drive a Toyota.
You can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away
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Ferd Really wrote: Depends on what you call excessive.
80000 of these switches out there, 300 dead.
I would say that the average person clearly didn't hang too much, so clearly the 300 that died did.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Since you assume
Munchies_Matt wrote: so clearly the 300 that died did
then there must be more of these people who
Munchies_Matt wrote: hang too much
that drive other model cars and they didn't die because of a faulty switch.
You can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away
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Whats the mandated resistance to turning of an ignition switch?
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Interesting that Guberment sold last of it's share just about 4 months ago, then a suite is filed, was it a government agency that filed suite?
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Insider trading anyone...
Its a joke isn't it.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Now, question, is it mandatory for a manufacturer to fit air bags in their cars
I believe it should be mandatory for them to work if they are fitted.
The problem is that the car can switch off mid drive, which of course also shuts off power steering, power assisted brakes and ABS at the same time as well as the air bags.
And the amount of power assist nowadays is so much that people believes the steering has jammed and the brakes don't work. So they crash.
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Read this: http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4797055#xx4797055xx[^]
They did work, its just that people hung so much junk off the ignition key it turned it off, locking the wheel, losing power tp the brakes, and turning off airbags.
Yet I don't see them being sued for defective brakes or steering. Obviously its the users who are at fault.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Yes, I've read about it, but that's apparently not always the case, I'll post a link if I can find it back.
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I think that if you supply safety equipment that is supposed to reduce the harm caused in a bad situation, and your equipment is defective so that it doesn't do that, then yes, you are in part responsible for that harm.
GM aren't the only responsible party here – a vehicle crash is caused by human error or some other component failure, not an airbag failing to inflate. However, someone dying because they were in a situation for which their safety equipment was designed, but it didn't work, wouldn't have died if that equipment wasn't broken. So almost all of those 300 were killed by a combination of whatever caused the accident in the first place, and GM's airbags not working.
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BobJanova wrote: you are in part responsible for that harm
Yeah, this is my position too.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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I would like to see the stats on how many of the fatalities also did not have their seat belt on (depended on their air bags only). We see it all the time out here (nearly daily in Phoenix), children and adults thrown out of the car in accidents, their siblings who were wearing their belts survived. Note that here is the law, you have to use your seat belt and can be ticketed by the police fo not doing so, the ticket is far less of a cost than the death or serious injury in case of an accident.
Dave.
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I was specifically referring to the current GM fatalities, not general statistics. OBTW, in my car (SUV) everyone is belted. Haven't needed them, thank goodness.
Dave.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: their goods didn't act as advertised. One could state that, and one would be wrong. The product should at least do what it was designed for. And no, it's not the airbag-manufacturer that sold the car; the customer does not deal with subcontractors.
Hehe, imagine a parachute or a nuke "not working as advertised". Due to a subcontractors fault
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