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Many years ago, I found a for loop bug in VB, and worked with Microsoft to recreate it, they eventually fixed it... The only one.
As for collecting this data. Yes, we have done it in the past. We were tracking feature usage patterns, and determining hot-key vs. tool-bar vs. Menu invocations.
The funny part is that the results were just so predictable. Complex features were rarely used by any method. While things like Copy were most often accessed via keyboard shortcuts. In the end we proved that nobody read the "What's New" documents when releases were published, but were willing to look apparently when they got bored or felt the program had not been updated in a while. LOL.
I do not submit this information.
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Well at least you got your confirmation about your suspicions of what results would be.
Thanks for responding to this because I was indeed curious to know if other developers implemented this type of feedback into their software.
Would you by any chance or have you by any chance continued to integrate this feedback into your future or current projects?
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Yeah, there is a bit of truth to "confirming what you think" as being valuable.
Yes, we recently turned it on in a web project, to track some how many times users were told "more information is available", and who clicked on Reload, vs. Ignore...
Management was OVERLY concerned with the impact on users, and reloads, etc. It was useful, in this case, we found only 5% of the people got the message. 85% of those IGNORED the extra information (meaning they did not care).
As always in this field, the correct answer is: "It Depends" )))
It really depends on who needs the information, and what it could possibly change.
In our case, it prevented wasting ANY MORE development time on this one issue.
In general, it was easy enough to collect and turn this type of stuff on.
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My understanding is that Microsoft works very closely with a few companies and gets most of their product input and bug fix requirements from those companies. Otherwise, Microsoft appears stone deaf to bug reports/fix requests, suggestions, comments, etc. Several years ago I attended a local SQL user group meeting where the manager of the MS BI stack was speaking. He said that they only received a very low number of comments and suggestions for their next release and commented that the #1 suggestion for SQL Server Management Studio was...Sound a "bell" alert option when the query finished processing. The audience did not take this at face value, however, and quite a few attendees pointed out that they had submitted detailed and sometimes lengthy suggestions and bug reports and got no response. And the requested features never showed up either. Since the Microsoft manager was clueless about all these suggestions, most of which the audience indicated were good ones, it left us with the impression that Microsoft truly does not care about developer or DBA or user input.
Now, several years later, and based upon personal experience, I conclude that they still don't. Hopefully, this will change.
One of the BEST things in the past with Microsoft Analysis Services was Mosha. He was on the development team and wrote lengthy blogs about the product and its use which was (is) very complex. He was admired by all SSAS developers and his insight, coming from the inside, was PRICELESS. He finally went to Bing and that was the last of that unfortunately.
Can we see something like this in the near future from Microsoft for all their various product areas to have a DEVELOPER EVANGELIST/BLOGGER/HELPER person? It would be invaluable!
- Grant
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Grant,
Thanks for sharing that. I think you are indeed right that MS only gets their feedback from a group of companies. Reading other people's comments about this seems that they indeed turn a blind eye to user feedback. It seems like then what's the point for even asking then? Strange, but who knows why they go through the charade.
I will concede maybe they do user for specific things here or there such as UI related things, but for other things such as bug fixes or new features it seems like they do with what you have experienced.
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I reported a bug in Himem.sys in DOS 5.0 and when I checked in Windows 98 it was still there.
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...did I miss anything?
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous ----- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944 ----- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
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No, its been a quiet morning, move along...
Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.
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I found a cell phone in the ditch.
I used it to take this picture: Strange Stuff[^]
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You shat your pants and cried all night?
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Nothing to see here back to sleep
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With regard to your quote from Sir Winston Churchill, I thought Lincoln said that. Anyhow, I'm stealing it; it sounds more like Churchill anyway.
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So here I am tooling down the road on my way to work when some guy grabs a ladder that was propped up against a broken street light (this was one of those big 12 foot ladders) and starts staggering across the road with it. He loses his balance and the thing starts swinging right at my windshield! I had to swerve out of the way which meant I almost ran him over. I called the police to report this lunatic. Sure glad I didn't hit him, that would have ruined my day!
Marc
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Don't worry I'm sure you'll get them next time.
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Reading these posts in reverse order is a bit confusing.
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BobJanova wrote: Reading these posts in reverse order is a bit confusing
I hate being on the other side of the planet to these discussions, I invariably start at the latest and regularly have a WTF moment trying to work out what is under discussion.
It also annoys me that I miss most of removed messages, some can be interesting.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Marc Clifton wrote: that would have ruined my day! How about his day?
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I was working on a streetlight in the early morning. Some drunk guy stumbled across the road and nearly got hit by a car (whose driver may also have been drunk, or maybe just half asleep). The drunk guy then stole my ladder out from under me, forcing me to grab on to the light I was fixing. As the drunk was making off with my ladder, some other bloke walking his dog saw the spectacle, but instead of helping me, he just phoned the police to report a burglar. He must've seen me, because he looked directly at the busted streetlight from which I was hanging. Why on earth did he not help me? I had to hang there for over an hour, clinging on for dear life, before some good Samaritan helped me down.
What is this talk of release? I do not release software. My software escapes leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake.
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I was going to have lunch with a buddy of mine.
He just called and canceled.
He works down at the local police station.
I guess the phone has been ringing off the hook all morning.
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Yeah, some days are like that. My day is looking to be rather busy too.
Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.
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Looked out of my window this morning cause the streetlight had gone out and I wondered why. There was this bloke with a dog following a man with a ladder, obviously up to no good as he was keeping out of sight of the ladder carrier. Luckily a passing car lit them both up so I could pass the description on to the police.
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Sounds like a good enough reason to call in sick.
It is way too dangerous to go outside.
As for the strange man with the dog - I'd would have called the police myself, but I lost my phone when I had to dive off the road to avoid an oncoming car.
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