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k5054 wrote: Back in the day, HP knew how to build stuff that lasted, and didn't annoy the customers.
I have a LaserJet 4350 or some-such model, big office printer with all the accessories, that nobody wanted when the last place I worked at shut down. I don't use it much, but it is still working great, and it's got to be at least 20 years old by now (my previous employer had it for a few years, and the place shut down in 2007).
(That's not the problematic printer, obviously)
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Yep - mine is a Xerox VersaLink C400 office beast. I suspect the previous owners replaced it because they looked at the price of genuine toner cartridges and went  - £528! We'll dump it and buy a new one for that!
I got aftermarkets for £40 the set.
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I've got a Brother black and white laser and it's brilliant - I suffered inkjet woes for a few years and eventually thought, do I really need a colour printer ? no, I've had the brother ~ 10 years or so and it's only on its second toner cartridge. Wouldn't mind a colour printer though.
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pkfox wrote: Wouldn't mind a colour printer though.
I've had a Brother color printer for 7-8 years, on the second set of cartridges, and we print a fair amount. It just works. ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) inkjets.
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I've got a Brother color laser and it really does a nice job. Just don't believe it when it says a cartridge is getting low. You can find out how to reset the cartridge counter and continue printing for a large number of prints.
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Believe me, I have a laser. Two, in fact.
The problem with lasers is that they don't print on discs (it's a long story, don't ask). And I'm not gonna on print on CD labels.
But at least with the lasers, I never have toner problem, even if I might only print a page once every 3 months (and yes, that is representative of my use).
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Discs? How the heck did you interface the player?[^] 
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I can't tell whether you've ever seen these or not. The printer comes with a plastic tray (hopefully this link works) that you sit the CD on, then slide into a slot in the printer.
When it works - the results are quite remarkable. I've scanned, then printed, some discs and would have a really hard time telling which is the original and which is the copy, unless you can compare both side-by-side (and even then it might fool some people).
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OriginalGriff wrote: Throw it in the [mastadon] ing recycle bin, and get a laser.
ABSOLUTELY!!!
I figure I use up half the ink in cartridges cleaning the heads. Last time I needed to replace cartridges, I bit the bullet and purchased a Brother color multi-function laser that duplexes. It's given me ZERO problems.
It cost me more than I wanted to pay, but the lack of frustration and irritation is worth it.
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BryanFazekas wrote: It cost me more than I wanted to pay, but the lack of frustration and irritation is worth it.
Not only that, but you don't waste huge amounts of time trying to get it printing: turn on, print, turn off. I don't know what you time is worth, but it adds up quickly while swearing at inkjets and can easily make the laser more cost effective. even in the short term.
Not to mention lasers generally have higher PPM than inkjets so you aren't standing there twiddling your thumbs while it gets ready to paper jam itself ... 
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Have you tried turning it off and on again?
What coat? It's summer.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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Like OG I'm on my second Laser printer.
I's a color printer and am still on my original cartridges, haven't priced new ones yet.
You say print, it prints. No muss no fuss!
If you can't find time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it again?
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What printer have you got Mike ? I'm sorta thinking of getting a colour laser
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My color laser is an HP LaserJet Pro CP1025nw. Got it for $100 at Staples in 2012 (!) and I still haven't replaced the "starter" cartridges. I did buy a new replacement set (ready to go) a good while back, but until these stop working, they remain in the sealed packaging.
I very much want to completely ditch inkjet. But, lasers don't print on printable discs. And I'm not gonna print on CD labels (I have in the past, never more).
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I'd recommend a color laser printer, unless you're printing photographs. Most of the lasers I've seen can't do natural color as well as inkjet.
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I'd still put up with the less-than-perfect colors. I do have a color laser printer (see some of my responses above). The only reason I still have an ink-jet (and have one on the way) is that I have a need to print on discs (the CD and DVD kind). I'd otherwise be ecstatic if I never had to deal with an inkjet printer ever again.
Printing on labels is not an option - I did before; never again.
According to my research, I'm not the only one who wished lasers could be used on discs. But, everyone concludes that even if it were possible, they run so hot they'd warp the discs. And given how hot sheets of paper get sometimes when coming out of my printer, I tend to believe that...
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If you only print 'rarely' I see only one solution: remove printer cartridges after printing and vacuum them 
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0x01AA wrote: remove printer cartridges after printing and vacuum them
AKA "buy a new set of cartridges every time you need to print something".
This is practically what I've been doing with this printer, well, not Day One, but "Day on which I needed to print a second time". Until it decided that even with new cartridges, it's gonna put up this new error message.
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Any particular reason you're still using a printer? We in tech should be driving changes and well, we should all be paperless by now.
Some times it can't be avoided. Some industries refuse to move forward... like the medical industry still requiring a fax (from different parties besides yourself). But, by and large, printers should be a relic of the past for most of us.
Jeremy Falcon
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Someone, I forget where, recently posted a rant about--not the promised paperless office--but those who keep pushing that decades-old lie.
There will always be a need to have something printed. In my case, picture a pile of identical, plain white, inkjet printable CDs and/or DVDs. The alternative is writing on them with Sharpies.
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dandy72 wrote: There will always be a need to have something printed
If everyone thought that way, we'd still be living in caves. Is there a specific reason you think this to be true or is this just a thing you think will continue because that's just the way you've done it?
There are document types that can and do completely replace paper. So, there is no technical reason. Having a "hard copy" isn't really better than a back up. It has a worse filing mechanism. Can't be searched, etc. There are way more pitfalls with paper documents than going paperless.
dandy72 wrote: In my case, picture a pile of identical, plain white, inkjet printable CDs and/or DVDs. The alternative is writing on them with Sharpies.
You mean printing DVD labels? I never seen an inkjet printer print actual DVD discs.
From a label stand point, I can see the rationale. But, I'm willing to bet that will be phased out too. You already see that with crypto wallets and LED displays on them. No reason the future "DVDs" can't have something similar. Sure, we're not there yet, but the future is coming and paper is the past for the most part.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Is there a specific reason you think this to be true or is this just a thing you think will continue because that's just the way you've done it?
You're wording it like I'm to blame by perpetuating the problem. I guarantee you, I don't yield that much power. I don't get to make up the rules, it doesn't matter what I think. Numerous articles have been written on the topic. I completely understand what you're saying and I wish it were true, but I just don't see it happening in my lifetime. I've certainly reduced the amount of paper I have to deal with - I did complain, somewhere else in this thread, that I do so little printing myself that ink cartridges dry up long before I have time to use them.
Besides, in the end, I was talking about printing on discs, not keeping a document in electronic format to save paper. Like I said, the alternative is either a Sharpie, or...not identify the content of a disc at all? Good luck dealing with a pile of those. 
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I never seen an inkjet printer print actual DVD discs
I have, numerous times, and I have some discs that are nearly indistinguishable from the original (unless you hold them up side-by-side). This is what the typical tray looks like. You slide that into a slot in the printer. This is what the process looks like (that's not my specific printer, but the idea is the same).
Jeremy Falcon wrote: From a label stand point, I can see the rationale.
If you don't manage to place a label exactly right on the first attempt, the disc will vibrate and spin out of balance, and you can't take it off and try to realign it.
Plus, they tend to wrinkle with time and humidity, develop air bubbles, tear, rip, etc - they're a mess and look totally unprofessional.
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dandy72 wrote: You're wording it like I'm to blame by perpetuating the problem.
If everyone thought that way, then nothing will ever change.
dandy72 wrote: Besides, in the end, I was talking about printing on discs, not keeping a document in electronic format to save paper. Like I said, the alternative is either a Sharpie, or...not identify the content of a disc at all? Good luck dealing with a pile of those
Sure, ok. I suppose as long as its judicious in nature. Not everyone is discerning and still wastes paper like it's going out of style... when the world has moved past that by and large. Even labels' days are numbered.... watch.
dandy72 wrote: I have, numerous times, and I have some discs that are nearly indistinguishable from the original
There's a miscommunication here. You're still referring to labels right? The wording suggests an inkjet printer is printing the actual plastic disc... which is impossible AFAIK. Inkjets, ya know... splatter ink on crap. 
dandy72 wrote: If you don't manage to place a label exactly right on the first attempt, the disc will vibrate and spin out of balance, and you can't take it off and try to realign it.
Not really sure what has to do with the point.... but um... ok?
Jeremy Falcon
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