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Exactly. I'd take on a dude with a knife. A gun ? No way. Not even if I had a gun.
Christian Graus
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I have. Both. and one of them walks to this day(both incidents were around 25 years ago) with a limp and scars, the other doesn't walk. If I had had a gun in hand at the time, neither would be walking and I wouldn't have the scars I do from it.
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gavindon wrote: neither would be walking and I wouldn't have the scars I do from it.
Not physical, at least...
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Glad you're alright.
I had a knife on me once. I know who did it, called the cops, they did nothing as he ditched the knife already. Guy still walks free today.
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Forogar wrote: With guns, I don't know if I would be here at all.
But as long as we are doing hypotheticals we should consider what would have been the outcome in those three cases if you had had a gun and you were trained to use it in combat situations.
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I was actually trained in gun combat - and unarmed combat - which is how I prevailed in each case.
I was living in England at the time and only owned a high powered sporting air-pistol - which never left the house except to take part in tournaments.
I was a certified marksman with pistol, various types of rifle, SMG and LMG thanks to my military training. I was also a black belt at Judo, and an expert with longbow, crossbow and was fairly good at knife and axe throwing.
Despite all that I don't think I could have prevented myself from getting stabbed and slashed even if I had been illegally carrying a gun in those cases.
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits.
- Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most.
- I vaguely remember having a good memory...
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Christian Graus wrote: So, either way, there's a US centric issue here, although it can happen in other places, it happens in the US a LOT.
It most certainly DOES NOT happen "a lot". We have over 85 million legal gun owners. A mass shooting MIGHT happen a couple of times per year (if you don't count cops shooting civilians). The last time I did the math, 2 out of 85,000,000 could not reasonable be defined as "a lot".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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Every time I've looked for figures, your shooting deaths per capita dwarf those of the rest of Western society.
Christian Graus
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I thought we were talking about mass shootings.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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You have more of those too. You win on every front. See my link below, the wiki entry for school shootings breaks out to another, much bigger page, b.c there's a much bigger and longer history in the US, than the rest of the world.
Christian Graus
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For me, a couple of mass shootings per year *is* a lot.
And there's the nub of the issue: is a couple of mass shootings per year an acceptable price to pay for your 'right to bear arms'? As long as the majority decide that it is, you'll carry on getting a couple of mass shootings each year.
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pt1401 wrote: And there's the nub of the issue: is a couple of mass shootings per year an acceptable price to pay for your 'right to bear arms'?
Yes.
pt1401 wrote: As long as the majority decide that it is,
And I really hope they do...
pt1401 wrote: you'll carry on getting a couple of mass shootings each year.
In a world full of people, some are gonna flip out. That can't be avoided. Let's look at the parents who may not have had their guns properly secured. That hasn't been explored by the media yet (or maybe it was, and they simply don't find relevance in ALL of the facts).
I don't even have kids, and with the exception of the gun I carry with me at all times, all the rest are in the gun safe.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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pt1401 wrote: As long as the majority decide that it is, you'll carry on getting a couple of mass shootings each year.
It requires quite a bit more than a majority to change the US Constitution.
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It's a perfect time.
As I said to Nish, the "intent" takes issue with me, not the gun laws. I gave the stabbing link, which many in China actually end up in death, as an example of mass harm to children, without a gun.
You don't need a gun, to harm.
Christian Graus wrote: I'd rather face a madman with a knife
I would pay good money to see this.
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I meant if I must face a madman, I'd rather he not have a gun, than me have one, too.
Slacker007 wrote: You don't need a gun, to harm.
This statement is both true, and stupid. If you joined the army, would you expect to be given a gun, or would you say 'I don't need a gun to harm people' ?
Christian Graus
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I haven't been shot yet, though I'd gladly take a bullet for my 2nd Amendment rights.
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Of course. Because you're an idiot.
Christian Graus
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It's amazing isn't it? The complete suspension of all logic and reason in favor of an old document, written in a different time, and by men who's intentions we can only guess at and who could never have guessed at the world we find ourselves living in today.
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I think anyone with grade 3 English can see that the original intent was not what is defended today
Christian Graus
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Christian Graus wrote: I think anyone with grade 3 English can see that the original intent was not what is defended today
So those defending it are incapable of comprehension at a grade 3 level? I suspect that's not the case and in fact they've suspended all reason due to indoctrination. That's a lot easier to do when you can defend your point of view with "it is written...". It all seems very familiar to me.
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Yes, I agree. The issue is not general stupidity, but a blind spot due to indoctrination. I meant a grade 3 reader with no preconceived ideas.
Christian Graus
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Are you purposefully ignoring my not so subtle analogy? 
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*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of
Christian Graus
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Christian Graus wrote: *grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of
Really? You don't think there's some similarity between someone who say, rejects gay marriage, because they interpret the bible as saying it is unholy and someone like John Simonds who'd rather see kids educated remotely, in isolation from each other, as a solution to them being killed at a school because his revered constitution can't be challenged? Or someone that says the odd mass killing is a reasonable price to pay for their 'freedom'?
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Well, perhaps. I can see a definite connection between religion and the US view on guns. I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
Christian Graus
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